Alex Rodriguez is god awful

[GiantsFanatic]

So thats Arod's fault that guys ahead of him are not getting when he hits HRs.

Oh and since you wana play salary card, Jeter is getting 20m a year for hitting less than 20 hrs a year and under 100 rbi. Jeter has hit 20+ hrs 3 times and 100+ rbi just once, and I dont see you guys making threads on how overpaid Jeter is?

[ljshorty89]

Difference is Jeter hits second, which is neither a HR or RBI spot in the lineup, as compared to A-Rod's cleanup spot...

[GiantsFanatic]

So your paying 20m to a guy who hits second in the lineup. Gotch ya.

[ljshorty89]

I'm not...

But, the guy is (not counting this, one of few real down years) a perennial .310 hitter, with 15 HR and 70 RBI out of the 2 hole. He also provides leadership, defense, 20+ SB, scores 110 runs every year, 30-35 doubles, has a career OBP of .386, and a career OPS+ of 120. That's pretty damn good. And I'm not even a Yankees fan.

[ljshorty89]

Plus, think about it. His .295, 8 HR, 60 RBI season is considered a down year. For a shortstop who hits in the 2 hole, those are still fairly respectable numbers.

[GiantsFanatic]

What I'm trying to say is that the numbers he puts, he's overpaid, especially when you compare it to Arod's numbers, and the money he makes.

[ljshorty89]

What I'm saying is that A-rod is overpaid as well. Jeter puts up all around better and more consistent stats, and is the leader that A-rod never will be.

[GiantsFanatic]

Not really Arod got his money based on his performance on the field, And Jeter got his money based on his owner overpaying him, because he said (I'm paraphrasing) [ If actors can make 20m for a movie, I have no problem paying my guys 20m to play a season]

Jeter and Arod's career SB's, OBP, BA and 2B stats are very similar.
Arod has better OBS, SLUG, HR, BB, R, than Jeter.
Jeter in the same respect has better SO, 3B, and H than Arod.

If you also look at defense, Arod was/is a better defensive SS than Jeter IMO, based on the fact that Jeter never won any GG at SS when Arod was playing SS and winning GG, and coincidently Jeter started winning GG at SS when Arod moved to 3B.

Now I will question Jeter's leadership ability, first thing is that when Arod was traded to the Yanks, if Jeter the unselfish captain knows that Arod is a better SS than Jeter, why didn't he offer to move to 3B? What happened there? Did his ego get in the way? Also when Arod was getting booed, even the Mayor of NY was defending Arod, but I did not one word from Jeter, way to be a captain there. (But ofcourse according to NYJ I'm bashing the Yankees now)

[browntown653]

YANKEE BASHER! BEGONE WANNABE!

Look, I'm one of Jeet's biggest fans, but there's no question he doesn't deserve $20 mil, as much as I love him. The Boss was just throwing out money left and right back then.

[ljshorty89]

Listen, I'm not saying that Jeter deserves 20 million....lets be real, no player in the majors deserves what they're making. The point is that Jeter (in my mind) deserves his 20 million as much as A-rod deserves his 27 million. A-rod is more overrated in that, as stats have pointed out, his "on field performance" doesn't have as great an impact on the outcome of the games, which is the only thing that really matters.

[GiantsFanatic]

So because Jeter has won world series that means he isn't overated, because hasn't won a WS ring that means he's overated?

So based on that logic, Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Barry Bonds, and ect are all overated because they didn't win championships.

[ljshorty89]

I didn't say that. Jeter is just more consistent. He puts up the same numbers year after year. You know what you're getting from him. A-rod is an enigma, and it's difficult to explain paying an inconsistent perennial loser 27 million dollars a year. In that regard, he's much like your hero Barry Bonds.

[Porter]

Plus, think about it. His .295, 8 HR, 60 RBI season is considered a down year. For a shortstop who hits in the 2 hole, those are still fairly respectable numbers.

for a 20 Million dollars?

You're joking right.

[Porter]

I didn't say that. Jeter is just more consistent. He puts up the same numbers year after year. You know what you're getting from him. A-rod is an enigma, and it's difficult to explain paying an inconsistent perennial loser 27 million dollars a year. In that regard, he's much like your hero Barry Bonds.

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP
 1997 21 SEA AL 141  587  100  176  40  3  23   84  29  6  41  99  .300  .350  .496  120  291   4   1   1   5  14 AS
 1998 22 SEA AL 161  686  123  213  35  5  42  124  46 13  45 121  .310  .360  .560  136  384   3   4   0  10  12 SS,MVP-9,AS
 1999 23 SEA AL 129  502  110  143  25  0  42  111  21  7  56 109  .285  .357  .586  134  294   1   8   2   5  12 SS,MVP-15
 2000 24 SEA AL 148  554  134  175  34  2  41  132  15  4 100 121  .316  .420  .606  162  336   0  11   5   7  10 SS,MVP-3,AS
 2001 25 TEX AL 162  632  133  201  34  1  52  135  18  3  75 131  .318  .399  .622  160  393   0   9   6  16  17 SS,MVP-6,AS
 2002 26 TEX AL 162  624  125  187  27  2  57  142   9  4  87 122  .300  .392  .623  158  389   0   4  12  10  14 SS,MVP-2,AS
 2003 27 TEX AL 161  607  124  181  30  6  47  118  17  3  87 126  .298  .396  .600  147  364   0   6  10  15  16 SS,MVP-1,AS
 2004 28 NYY AL 155  601  112  172  24  2  36  106  28  4  80 131  .286  .375  .512  131  308   0   7   6  10  18 MVP-14,AS
 2005 29 NYY AL 162  605  124  194  29  1  48  130  21  6  91 139  .321  .421  .610  173  369   0   3   8  16   8 SS,MVP-1,AS
 2006 30 NYY AL 154  572  113  166  26  1  35  121  15  4  90 139  .290  .392  .523  134  299   0   4   8   8  22 MVP-13,AS
 2007 31 NYY AL 158  583  143  183  31  0  54  156  24  4  95 120  .314  .422  .645  177  376   0   9  11  21  15 SS,MVP-1,AS
 2008 32 NYY AL 118  440   93  137  31  0  30   86  16  2  53  97  .311  .398  .586  158  258   0   4   9  13  15

Really AROD isn't as consistent? And I didn't even include the year that he got robbed by Juan Gonzalez for the MVP.

[nyjunc]

At least Boston had that stopper in Beckett to bail them out. Who on the Yanks staff can do that right now (not down the road, right now)? While I should have just as much hatred for the 30 million dollar deal as you. The Yanks need more than ARod to be the best player in baseball right now.

It's not ALL ARod's fault but most of it is. He is so tight in big spots it spreads throughout the clubhouse and for our best player to have 1 RBI in 16 postseason games tells us it's mostly his fault. Wang stunk last year and last year he was the main culprit but through the course of the last few years it has mostly been Arod.

So thats Arod's fault that guys ahead of him are not getting when he hits HRs.

Oh and since you wana play salary card, Jeter is getting 20m a year for hitting less than 20 hrs a year and under 100 rbi. Jeter has hit 20+ hrs 3 times and 100+ rbi just once, and I dont see you guys making threads on how overpaid Jeter is?

It's ARod's fault that when guys are on base he's not driving them in.

Jeter is not paid to hit HRs and Jeter has come through for us in big spots a million times throughout his career.

What I'm trying to say is that the numbers he puts, he's overpaid, especially when you compare it to Arod's numbers, and the money he makes.

ARod's #s come mostly when we don't need him, in clutch situations he's nowhere to be found but if up or down 7 rtuns he'll hit that HR for you or drive in that run.

Jeter deservs $20 mil more than ARod deserves $30, at least Jeter has helped us win Championships and has come through in October which ARod has never done.

I was in awe of ARod's great #s before he became a Yankee but watching him every day for almost 5 years there's no question he's overrated and if I had a choice btw him and Jeter I'd take Jeter. Great fantasy #s do not impress me, getting the job done when we need you does and Jeter has done that most of his career while ARod hasn't most of his Yankee career.