Bye Bye Manny?

[nyjunc]

The Yankees leader is not even close to being Arod. Jeter, Posada and even Giambi is more of a leader than Arod. Holliday sandwiched in between Ortiz and Drew would be just as good as Manny so you can do cartwheels all day long. Holliday has already shown in a limited career that pressure doesn't get to him. Yankees fans should be scared shitless if the Red Sox replace Manny with Holliday next year.

I guess if someone believes the save record is a big deal then they can believe Manny can easily be replaced.

Jeter is the off field leader, they follow ARod's lead on the field which is why we can't hit in October anymore. Boston follow's manny's don't care attitude and they never feel pressure and buckle under it. Replacing Manny w/ Holliday would be a day to rejoice in yankee land.

[love_that_reefer]

Jeter is the leader on and off the field and for a Yankee fan to think otherwise is utterly ridiculous. Anyone who thinks their team follows qa profound choke artist is just naive to their own team which is sad beyond belief. Giambi is more of a clubhouse presence than Arod ever will be to this team.

I guess if someone believes Arod is the leader of the Yankees, they will believe anything. Somehow I look at Holliday's age, stats and play ion the field and know he can replace Manny. You said easily. Holliday has shown he doesn't buckle under pressure so what's the difference? Oh the difference would be the Red Sox continuing to be a force in the AL for many years instead of one, better fielding, more speed and someone who isn't a headache to everyone and doesn;t ask to sit against their rivals. Read Peter Gammons article on ESPN.com.

[ljshorty89]

On his show today, Michael Kay mentioned the heating rumors on Manny. The Dodgers are apparently interested, and he also said that there had been rumors(I don't know how true they are) of Beltran for Manny and Ellsbury. To me, it's great, obviously Sox fans won't love it. But the way I see it, the Sox get a slightly lower salary, a better clubhouse guy, who's signed long term, and get to get rid of their biggest problem. The Mets would get their power hitter, absorb Manny's contract, but be able to offload a bit of salary as well. Ellsbury would be the "compensation" for the Mets taking on money and Manny's problems(an incentive to get Minaya interested again). Not EXCEEDINGLY likely, but it MIGHT be feasible?

[NYgiantsfan5689]

You and Kay can keep dreaming to yourselves as you cuddle in bed together. That would be amazing for the Amazin's. They would get a ridiculous outfielder for now, plus a damn good outfielder plus a mad fast base stealer who would be around for a long time.

[love_that_reefer]

Beltran for Manny AND Ellsbury? Maybe Crisp but not Ellsbury. Too close to NY Mr. Kay. Here is another rumor.

The New York Post believes the Red Sox and Dodgers are still talking about a deal that would send Manny Ramirez to Los Angeles, with the cash to cover his salary, in return for Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier.
Boston would likely prefer Kemp, who is both more talented and a better fit for a lineup that would get awfully lefty heavy with Ethier. Of course, it's possible they'd just flip the one they received to the Braves as part of a Mark Teixeira deal. The most likely scenario has nothing getting done at all. For what it's worth, no one in Boston or Los Angeles has suggested there's much going on here. FOXSports.con's Ken Rosenthal believes the Dodgers are focusing on landing a shortstop.

Don't see that happening either even though the Dodgers need offense. Manny should not be considered by NL teams.

[cjkalt]

I think the Diamondbacks will hop into the Manny talks with Moorad (Manny's ex agent) and Brynes in that organization...

As for that rumor for beltran for manny ellsbury... we would need a hell of a lot more than beltran... big deal that he's signed, if u added F. Martinez then maybe we got something

[ljshorty89]

You wouldn't get Beltran and Fernando for Manny and/or anyone else. Beltran makes 5 mil per year less than Manny, plays better defense, is a very good hitter, and would be a billion times better in the clubhouse. Fernando is said to have more skill than Ellsbury, and Ellsbury hasn't even proved anything outside of speed at the MLB level. I don't doubt there would be more involved, but if you think that you're getting Beltran and F-Mart(THE METS FUTURE CENTERFIELDER), you're either insane or on drugs.


From another baseball forum, posted by a Mets fan:

Let's examine this hypothetical trade--
-The Mets would gain 2 outfielders for this season.
-Manny would be a rental because he might not be willing to sign with the Mets after this season. -Manny in the clean-up spot with Delgado hitting 5th.. WOW!
-Ellsbury is 25 y.o. and CHEAP!! Think of all the money we would save next year.. money we could use to pursue a 1st and/or 2nd baseman..

-The BoSox would not have to deal with Manny.
-They still have Coco Crisp so they would still have 3 outfielders.
-Beltran is 31 y.o. and is under contract until 2012.
-BoSox could still be in contention with Beltran in the line-up instead of Manny.

On paper, this trade looks like a win-win situation with the Mets getting the slightly longer end of the stick.

[love_that_reefer]

You wouldn't get Manny AND Ellsbury for Beltran and Beltran alone. I guess it all works out.

[cjkalt]

Whats Martinez's BA in AA again? u can't annoint him anything...ellsbury has speed and if i recalled he batted over .400 in the playoffs and his average is starting to tick up again after a sophmore adjustment which all great players go through...get off your drugs and realize that you won't get manny and ellsbury for beltran... i'd rather have ellsbury than beltran...he's getting old

[ljshorty89]

Martinez has been hurt. Ellsbury hasn't proven anything. Martinez is more highly regarded. Beltran is a better clubhouse guy, would hit well in Fenway, and it a much better fielder who is LOCKED UP. I'm not saying just Beltran, but you could pull off a reliever, like a Schoeneweis, and maybe a lesser prospect.

[love_that_reefer]

Gross!

[ljshorty89]

Schoeneweis has an ERA under 3. He's been pretty good, and the Sox could use a lefty reliever. Not Javier Lopez.

[ljshorty89]

Beltran, Schoeneweis, and maybe a guy like Mike Carp?

[cjkalt]

no way... the 2 picks for class a comp is better than that package... you'd have to give up martinez to make it work... no way it happens otherwise

[nyjunc]

Jeter is the leader on and off the field and for a Yankee fan to think otherwise is utterly ridiculous. Anyone who thinks their team follows qa profound choke artist is just naive to their own team which is sad beyond belief. Giambi is more of a clubhouse presence than Arod ever will be to this team.

I guess if someone believes Arod is the leader of the Yankees, they will believe anything. Somehow I look at Holliday's age, stats and play ion the field and know he can replace Manny. You said easily. Holliday has shown he doesn't buckle under pressure so what's the difference? Oh the difference would be the Red Sox continuing to be a force in the AL for many years instead of one, better fielding, more speed and someone who isn't a headache to everyone and doesn;t ask to sit against their rivals. Read Peter Gammons article on ESPN.com.

Do you watch the Yankees every game? Havn't you notcied we went from clutch October bats to chokers since 2004? Jeter is the Captain and he and Posada are the leaders of the club but the team follows ARod's lead w/ the bats in october.

Manny is about more than just great #s. Holliday is a really good player and he might replace manny's fantasy #s but that isn't what Boston needs. When Boston almost traded Manny for ARod they would have had better reg season prodcution but there's now ay they win a WS w/ that choker in the middle of their lineup. Manny is a difference maker on and off the field. He's attitude spreads to the other players, they don't feel pressure which is why they have been able to come back from 3-0 and 3-1 in their 2 Championship years. You don't just replace that overnight no matter who you bring in.

Holliday is also a career .278 hitter away from Coors and a .365 hitter at home. In only 19 more home games he has double the amount of HRs at home compared to the road. Manny in his career hits .313 at home, .312 on the road. In 10 more home games he has just 6 more HRs. The Sox will get younger and have a good player in Holliday but they won't have Manny Ramirez and they'll take a hit b/c of that. The Sox will be good for many years b/c they have alot of young talent but will they be great?