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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    Quote Originally Posted by giantsfan5689 View Post
    I have a question: how come you're contracting even though in your poll, contraction only got 2 votes and computer managing got 10? doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of that whole poll?
    because people are really in favor of CPU or really against it. I'm not running teams anymore. Contraction will make the league more competitive and be better with more active teams. There are 3 teams open for sure and a few more that are really inactive. Even if I contract 4, I think there will still be a couple inactive teams.

    The purpose of the poll was to gauge people's opinions. It served its purpose and despite the votes, contraction seems like the better option.

    And the bottom line is I'm going to do what I feel is best for the league. It's not really in the league's best interest to have 3 - 4 open teams every year. It's not in the league's best interest to have people running multiple teams. It's not in the league's best interest to have the CPU make the open teams unattractive. And it will also be a pain in the ass trying to deal with potential trades with CPU teams. I think it's for the best. If someone doesn't agree, then they're free to leave (not saying you, just saying in general).

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    Quote Originally Posted by Providence A's View Post
    because people are really in favor of CPU or really against it. I'm not running teams anymore. Contraction will make the league more competitive and be better with more active teams. There are 3 teams open for sure and a few more that are really inactive. Even if I contract 4, I think there will still be a couple inactive teams.

    The purpose of the poll was to gauge people's opinions. It served its purpose and despite the votes, contraction seems like the better option.

    And the bottom line is I'm going to do what I feel is best for the league. It's not really in the league's best interest to have 3 - 4 open teams every year. It's not in the league's best interest to have people running multiple teams. It's not in the league's best interest to have the CPU make the open teams unattractive. And it will also be a pain in the ass trying to deal with potential trades with CPU teams. I think it's for the best. If someone doesn't agree, then they're free to leave (not saying you, just saying in general).
    That sounds good Prov, I'll buy into that. At first I really wasn't into contraction, but I think you make a good case.
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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    well, we'll try it. I will keep a backup copy of the league where it is on Friday night after the extensions / arbitration deadlines and after I roll it over to 2017. That way it if something gets messed up, we can go back to the start of 2017. After the Sunday deadline for check-in, I'll begin the work and see how it goes. Actually, I might be able to begin it before then with eliminating the open teams.

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    Here is my take on this. What happens when there becomes 3 or 4 open teams post contraction? Not right away obv but long term? Another contraction?

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    who says there will be more open teams? People come and go, but if there are fewer teams now, it will be easier to keep them full
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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    Quote Originally Posted by bwitty24 View Post
    Here is my take on this. What happens when there becomes 3 or 4 open teams post contraction? Not right away obv but long term? Another contraction?
    hopefully, that doesn't happen. I don't think we've ever had more than 3 - 4 at a time max. If we eliminate 4, then I would hope that it wouldn't be more than 1 or 2 every now and then. One step at a time though I suppose. We'll start off with this and see what happens.

    My aim here is to make the league smaller with active GMs. It should be more competitive and result in some nice rivalries.

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    The more I think about it the more I'm against the contraction idea.

    It decreases the number of available teams should someone down the line come in and want to join the league.

    And my more selfish reasoning is that I'll feel a lot better if I can dig San Diego out of the gutter without the aid of a contraction draft/more players added to the free agent pool.

    That said, it's just my opinion and I'll go with whatever you choose to do because it's your league.
    LeagueTeamyearsRecordWild CardDivisionPennantsTitles
    MSLSan Diego Padres2034-20592,217-1,9951631
    TBLArizona Diamondbacks2005-20181,216-1,0531963
    TSSLSan Diego Padres2015-2021, 2024-20281,017-9280732
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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    The more I think about it the more I'm against the contraction idea.

    It decreases the number of available teams should someone down the line come in and want to join the league.

    And my more selfish reasoning is that I'll feel a lot better if I can dig San Diego out of the gutter without the aid of a contraction draft/more players added to the free agent pool.

    That said, it's just my opinion and I'll go with whatever you choose to do because it's your league.
    as far as decreasing the number of teams for someone to want to join in, that is a problem I'd love to have. Every season there are open teams. It's a fact. I'd rather have people wanting to get in, then me begging people to join.

    Your 2nd point really is moot because everyone would get something. Granted you'd get something better, but still. I don't expect a draft for the prospects to be that deep. Look at the White Sox, Brewers, and Dodgers for example. How many stud specs are there? At best the worse teams will get 2 good pieces. That doesn't mean they'll pan out though.

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    I just don't see what the point would be in getting rid of the teams when the CPU can just run them.

    If that wasn't an option and it was a choice between contraction, auto-manage where they don't do DL, extensions, and signings, or you having that much more work I'd understand, but we have an option for the teams to be ran the way someone normally would anyways.

    But, as stated, if you do it then I'm cool with it. I won't argue the point any further than this post.
    LeagueTeamyearsRecordWild CardDivisionPennantsTitles
    MSLSan Diego Padres2034-20592,217-1,9951631
    TBLArizona Diamondbacks2005-20181,216-1,0531963
    TSSLSan Diego Padres2015-2021, 2024-20281,017-9280732
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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    Has the stability problem been resolved concerning contraction? I know it's caused some issues before. Also, if there are new reliable GMs available, would expansion be an option?

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    I'm not arguing. CPU is OK, but they make some stupid signings and do some stupid shit. They could make teams unattractive for someone to take over. Also, it would be a pain dealing with trades with CPU. I can turn up the trading difficulty, but what do I do if multiple send in an offer for the same players? Or if one person does, the CPU rejects it and then another person does and the CPU accepts it? The 1st person doesn't even get a chance to counter. And I don't want to picking and choosing which offers get entered first and such.

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    Quote Originally Posted by Saber View Post
    Has the stability problem been resolved concerning contraction? I know it's caused some issues before. Also, if there are new reliable GMs available, would expansion be an option?
    I know General has tested contraction for 4 - 5 seasons in SBSL on a separate file. I'll keep a backup of the league right up to the point of contraction that way if something goes wrong, we'll have it. I mean, I've done historical leagues on my own that had less teams and it was fine.

    Expansion? I don't want to expand to have 5 - 6 open teams...

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    Re: 2017 GM / Contraction Check-In (Deadline Sunday 6/29 12PM EDT)

    I mean, after contraction, can we, say, bring back those teams were we to find good GMs?

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