Chargers thread

[HollywoodLeo]

I wouldn't fire Shelmon....not unless the new HC wants to anyways.

The guy isn't even calling the plays, from what I understand Norv is.

If the new HC (whether that be Rivera or someone else) wants a new OC then that should be his choice....but I wouldn't make that decision for him.

Making the decision on coordinators is what got us stuck with Cotrell.

[FmrFresnan]

I wouldn't fire Shelmon....not unless the new HC wants to anyways.

The guy isn't even calling the plays, from what I understand Norv is.

If the new HC (whether that be Rivera or someone else) wants a new OC then that should be his choice....but I wouldn't make that decision for him.

Making the decision on coordinators is what got us stuck with Cotrell.

I'm not saying to hire him as the OC, I'd want him as the HC and bring in a new OC. How is this season's team so much worse than last season? Could it be true that they're not responding to the coaching staff as was rumored after last week?

[HollywoodLeo]

I'm not saying to hire him as the OC, I'd want him as the HC and bring in a new OC. How is this season's team so much worse than last season? Could it be true that they're not responding to the coaching staff as was rumored after last week?

That post was in response to PFF saying we should fire Shelmon as well as Norv.

I'm on the fire Norv train full speed ahead.

(Although I think we're forced to stick with him throughout the season as long as there's still a shot at the playoffs. Makes no sense to fire a head coach mid season when the playoffs are still in reach.)

[FmrFresnan]

That and A.J. Smith has an ego the size of Texas. There's no way he'd fire Turner, which would admit he made a HUGE mistake by firing Marty and hiring Norv. The thing I wonder, and again this is coming from an outsider's point of view, why would you hire a guy who's NEVER been successful as a head coach? Yeah, maybe he's a good offensive co-ordinator, but he's SUCKED everywhere he's been a head coach.

[HollywoodLeo]

Of course AJ Smith isn't going to fire Norv Turner because AJ Smith doesn't have the power to fire Norv Turner

That's Dean Spanos' authority.

If AJ Smith had the power to hire and fire head coaches Marty would've been gone before last year.

That being said, I still think the knock on his ego is blown way out of proportion.

Marty was just as much to blame as AJ was for the rift between them. He was just as stubborn, but he's the one that comes off as the martyr because he's the one that got axed. (By Dean Spanos, not by AJ Smith)

[FmrFresnan]

But A.J. Smith didn't like him, so he's not crying that Marty is gone. When I heard that Turner was hired prior to this season, I started laughing. I would have given Ron Rivera a shot at the HC job, just to see how he'd do before I'd hire Turner. There was a point made on Too Much Show, I think it was this past week. "You fired a coach that had no success in the postseason and hired a coach that had no success in the regular season" I thought that summed it up beautifully.

[HollywoodLeo]

But A.J. Smith didn't like him, so he's not crying that Marty is gone.

I doubt Marty would shed a tear if AJ were fired and he stuck around.

When I heard that Turner was hired prior to this season, I started laughing. I would have given Ron Rivera a shot at the HC job, just to see how he'd do before I'd hire Turner. There was a point made on Too Much Show, I think it was this past week. "You fired a coach that had no success in the postseason and hired a coach that had no success in the regular season" I thought that summed it up beautifully.

I didn't like the Norv hriing from day 1 either.

[realmofotalk]

Norv and Ted = worst solution for continuity since George H. W. Bush for President.

[padrefanforever]

AJ had done a near flawless job here until the clash with Marty........I give AJ a mulligan if he takes action soon to correct this mess....upsetting the coaching staff now wont change any playoff plans this team has this year.......since the coaching staff has had zero to do with us being in a position to make them to this point........a change in coaching might just stimulate the morale of this team also.......Let Ron take over NOW........blow out Norv NOW

[HollywoodLeo]

I'll repeat....AJ does not have the authority to fire Norv Turner

That being said (again) I wouldn't necessarily complain if they were to fire Norv mid season, but firing an NFL head coach mid season is such an unprecedented move....especially when you're still in the playoff hunt....that I wouldn't fault them one bit if they choose to wait till the season is over.

It's not the same as firing a baseball manager mid season. When you bring in a new head coach you bring in an entirely different game plan that the players now have to learn.

[padrefanforever]

I'll repeat....AJ does not have the authority to fire Norv Turner

Who in the last few posts suggested he did ? But it's well known fact that it was the clash between the two that lead to Marty being given his walking papers.....nothing else......so it's really irrelevant who pulled the trigger, the end result was the same.......

.......and when you promote from within mid-season you can avoid the issues of bring in a completely new concept.......hell just turn this offense loose for the remaining games and enjoy the ride is really all that needs to be done........

[FmrFresnan]

I would love to see Ron Rivera given the head coaching job, I think he did a great job as the D-Coordinator in Chicago.

[HollywoodLeo]

Who in the last few posts suggested he did ?

I thought you were suggesting that when you said you'd give him a mulligan if he "cleans up this mess" even though he doesn't have the authority to do so.

But it's well known fact that it was the clash between the two that lead to Marty being given his walking papers.....nothing else......so it's really irrelevant who pulled the trigger, the end result was the same.......

But Marty was just as much to blame for that clash as AJ was.

It makes no sense to make Marty out to be the victim and berate AJ like as though he's the one who caused it all.

Dean could have just as easily fired AJ and kept Marty. Dean Spanos chose AJ over Marty.

.......and when you promote from within mid-season you can avoid the issues of bring in a completely new concept.......hell just turn this offense loose for the remaining games and enjoy the ride is really all that needs to be done........

Good point.

Like I said, I wouldn't really complain too much if it were done.

[padrefanforever]

I thought you were suggesting that when you said you'd give him a mulligan if he "cleans up this mess" even though he doesn't have the authority to do so.

Nope, just saying that AJ's been great, and I'd give him a mulligan if he can clean up this current mess.....don't think for a second he wont be in charge of finding/appointing a interm head coach.

But Marty was just as much to blame for that clash as AJ was.

I don't think I said one was more at fault did I ?

It makes no sense to make Marty out to be the victim and berate AJ like as though he's the one who caused it all.

When did I say anything making Marty out to be a victim of anything more than the guy who got his walking papers......shit roles down hill.....IT IS WHAT IT IS

Dean could have just as easily fired AJ and kept Marty. Dean Spanos chose AJ over Marty.

Yah.....not likely......AJ has been the guy that brought in a truckload of Probowl players......he's not going anywhere when the team is 14-2 and he's been flawless to that point. Marty failed to get to the next level more than once with this team......he was the fall guy, and the obvious fallguy if there had to be one

[HollywoodLeo]

I think we're on the same page here but don't realize it.

I've just been spending all season arguing with some other Chargers fans who make Marty out to be a martyr and blame the entire mess on AJ Smith.

I guess I was getting the false impression you were thinking along the same lines.