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San Francisco GiantsYeah, his 2-RBI single with 2 outs. It was somewhat meaningful as it gave Small a nice cushion.Originally Posted by joek
Yeah, his 2-RBI single with 2 outs. It was somewhat meaningful as it gave Small a nice cushion.
"Players can't get better over time." -GiantsFanatic
Does that make Giambis 3 run HR even more meaningful since it gave Small an even bigger cushion?
Question...why the **** does it matter?
Today's series finale...Yanks lead 6-2 in the top of the 6th. Jeter and Bellhorn have homered and Matsui has an RBI triple. Zito was knocked out in the fourth inning.
I did a lot of good things as a sim league GM.
Ah, give me something clever to say here.
Are you referring to the Generals comment about Arods late inning RBIs being meaningful?
You got one thing right however, no one cares but the stat geeks and their meaningless stats.
Chacon was good, not great but good enough, and the bats bashed barry Zito to take back the WC lead and stay 4 out in the L column from Boston. Next up is our '05 nemesis the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, we had better at mn imum take 2 of 3 but I want a sweep and then we host Boston next weekened so hopefully we can pick up a game or 2 before that series.
I am thrilled with 2 out3 from Oakland. The only thing that frustrates me why we can't do more of what we did against a star quality pitcher like Zito...meaning how can we get shutdown by some midlevel guy and then hammer Zito or some top level pitcher.
I will give that Zito threw a fair amount of bad pitches.
Zito has been a .500 pitcher this year. He has accomplished very little, this year, in being referred to as 'a star quality pitcher'.
He has been 9-2 with a below 2.50 era in his last several starts since starting out 3-8.
He allowed 3 runs his last 23.1 innings prior to last night.
There are other stats for how many times he has allowed 3 runs or more this year. Not to mention the last time he got knocked out early was April 8th.
It is not like he has the run support that the NY Yankee pitchers often enjoy. So, yes he is a star quality pitcher that we got to last night. Records are very deceiving without a quality team effort behind you.
That 'without a quality team effort behind you' is the same team fighting for first place in their division and also fighting for a wild card spot. it isn't the team, it's the pitcher. .500 is .500 no matter how and when you earn it. Yes, there can and will be streaks over the course of the year. But a 'star quality pitcher' will WIN at a higher rate than he loses. Zito has not accomplished that this year.
The A's are 1 game out of the AL West lead, so the team is doing something right. Zit was pitcher of the month for July when he went 6 - 0 with a 2.51 ERA. When was the last time a Yankee was pitcher of the month? April 2004, Kevin Brown...that surprised me as much as it will surprise some of you. In Zito's 8 losses in the first half the A's scored a total of 7 runs, so it's hard to win when you have to throw a shutout every game. He's been solid this year despite his record and I'm willing to bet that 99% of Yankee fans would love to have him now and when/if he becomes a free agent.
Zito was off last night as he was behind in the count a lot...and apparently he was pitching injured.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NAS...=.jsp&c_id=oak
"When I woke up this morning, I could hardly breathe," said Zito. "It's something with my ribs, in back on the left side."
"Barry wasn't himself," said A's manager Ken Macha, whose club has been without starting pitcher Rich Harden (lat strain), shortstop Bobby Crosby (fractured ankle) and center fielder Mark Kotsay (back spasms) of late. "He'd never make excuses for a loss, but he wasn't right physically."
Earlier this year, Zito popped a rib out of place while diving for a ball against the White Sox, but after a trip to his personal chiropractor, he said, he was "100 percent better right away." On Sunday he visited two such specialists, but didn't appreciably improve.
"It's a weird deal," he said. "My stuff was pretty good in the bullpen, but there's definitely something going on in there. Hopefully it'll go away with rest and some more treatment."
Macha said Zito will get an extra day of rest before his next scheduled start, in Texas on Saturday.
Zito, who frequently missed up in the strike zone against the ultra-patient Yankees, conceded that the injury likely affected his mechanics. A winner in nine of his previous 11 decisions and coming off nine innings of three-hit work against the Angels on Tuesday, Zito gave up a home run to Derek Jeter on the first pitch of the game.
With that theory, I am wondering why we have not a 20 game winner since Cone in the 90's? Since 1996, how many 20 game winners have we had?
A W-L record is a decent indication of a star pitcher but not the best. The year that Cone won 20, he was not our best pitcher for example.
Other factors play a role such as run support. My point was that he was a hot pitcher his last 15 starts or so compared to his 3-8 start. He still has a much better ERA than Randy Johnson 13-8 or Mussina 12-8, our top two in wins.
I would take Zito as a FA.
Clemens won 20 in 2001, didn't he? 20-3, somethin like that?
"Players can't get better over time." -GiantsFanatic
Pettitte won 21 in 2003 & Clemens won 20 in 2001.With that theory, I am wondering why we have not a 20 game winner since Cone in the 90's? Since 1996, how many 20 game winners have we had?
My bad I forgot about those 2 especially Pettitte.
This even furthers my opinion. Was Andy considered the ace in 2003? If so then why was he let go the next year?
No way Clemens was the best in the AL when he won 20. Products of run support to an extent.
Yes, Clemens got over 7 runs per game that season...and people are using the 5 runs a game Carpenter gets this year against him
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