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    Doc Gooden in trouble ..again.

    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...s050443D95.DTL

    In other news, the sun came up this morning.

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    Gooden is small apples compared to the disgrace bonds has heaped upon baseball. as Frank Robinson stated, erase the records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joek
    as Frank Robinson stated, erase the records.
    You're right! Sweeping your problems under the rug and acting like they never happened always makes them go away!

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    If that is what you wish and dream. I think it means, give no credit to cheaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joek
    I think it means, give no credit to cheaters.
    I agree completely. Cheaters don't deserve any accolades. But just wiping out the records and acting like this never happened is not going to make the problem go away. Baseball needs to own up to this problem. These records will go down and we have to deal with it. Those of us that lived through it know that the records set (or being set) are in the context of this era. And we can pass that on to the next generation.

    Compare it to an individual with, for example, a drug abuse problem. On their way to recovery, would it do that person any good to act like that time in their lives never happened? Should they just wipe it out forever? Or take responsibility for that low point and show how that period of time demonstrates their progress in life?

    Frank is bent and I don't blame him. I can't say I'd act any differently if I hit 500+ clean homeruns.

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    We are on the same page and I agree with your message. The powers that be in baseball have made themselves look foolish by downplaying and ignoring the festering drug problem. Baseball has allowed players to cheat while burying their heads in the sand.

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    Doc Gooden wasn't a disgrace to baseball playing with a bunch of blow up his nose? You telling me coke isn't a performance enhancing drug?
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    Pressure is a bullshit argument. Its up there with how many rings a person has and some other ones I'm too stoned to care about.

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    Why don't you ask a medical specialist? In baseball, in my opinion, cocaine is not perfromance enhancing, but more the other way around. If the medical world feels it is performance enhancing to a baseball player, erase his records.

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    I don't believe in erasing records, because you never know whether or not a player's been drugged up his whole career. However, I think the fact that the public knows about a player testing positive for steroids/cocaine is punishment enough, because that guy'll have to face the ridicule of being proven guilty his whole life.
    I did a lot of good things as a sim league GM.

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    In my opinion the records should be erased because it diminishes the records of players who have achieved cleanly.

    Hmark6 is correct, in that we can pass down the information on the era of cheaters and how they tarnished baseball. But if the record books laud their accomplishments, it comes down to either believing the truth of the public or the lies of baseball stats. and there are many people out there who think stats define everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joek
    In my opinion the records should be erased because it diminishes the records of players who have achieved cleanly.
    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    Bro, you're overreacting. He screwed up, but your punishment doesn't fit the crime especially for a first-time offender. His rep is completely ruined, thats punishment enough.

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    I still feel that any records achieved while someone cheated should be erased. The punishment not fitting the crime is why crime is so rampant. The punishment should be far worse than the crime. That way many may find that committing the crime may not be worth taking a chance because of the punishment. If the punishment is mild or non-existent, the crime is worth the chance.

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    Does Ty Cobb get the hit record back?
    Quote Originally Posted by love_that_reefer View Post
    Pressure is a bullshit argument. Its up there with how many rings a person has and some other ones I'm too stoned to care about.

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