Yeah Brown and Wright are Vets. But Brown is on the downside of his career. And hes just not getting it down, his velocity is down. The sinker cant bail him out anymore. Wright hasnt down jack crap before or after 2004. I dont see it getting better. Lieter seems to be a better option than these 2, which is sad given they told a guy they just acquired to be designated for assignment. Randy Johnson isnt typical Unit but geez hes pitching pretty damn well for what 41?