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[Hmark6]

Too bad the Indians haven't been able to put an entire season together lately...

[Jennifer]

Too bad the Indians haven't been able to put an entire season together lately...

Ah, come on you can do better than that. In the last 4 years (or more) the Yankees payroll has been 4 times that of the Tribe.

[nyjunc]

Ah, come on you can do better than that. In the last 4 years (or more) the Yankees payroll has been 4 times that of the Tribe.

Before a Dolan purchased the Indians and you got cheap how many WS did you win when we had similar payrolls in the 90s?

[nyjunc]

Before the crowing of you Yankee fans begin just remember what happened less than a year ago:

Indians 22, Yankees 0
- RONALD BLUM, AP Sports Writer
Tuesday, August 31, 2004


(08-31) 23:56 PDT NEW YORK (AP) --

The hits and runs kept coming, spinning by on the scoreboard as fast as symbols on a slot machine.

It wasn't just a rout, it was an epic defeat, the most one-sided in the 101-year history of the New York Yankees. Cleveland's 22-0 victory Tuesday night matched the biggest post-1900 shutout margin in the major leagues, Pittsburgh's win at the Chicago Cubs on Sept. 16, 1975.

"There's a certain element of embarrassment, no question," Yankees manager Joe Torre said. "It's hard to handle. It's something you have to bounce back from."

Yankees humiliated but good!!!!!!!

New York Yankees 21, Cleveland Indians 1
DayGame Played on Saturday, July 24, 1999 (D) at Yankee Stadium
CLE A 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 - 1 9 1
NY A 4 0 0 1 7 6 3 0 x - 21 21 0
BATTINGCleveland Indians AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Lofton cf 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 1
Wilson ph,2b 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0
Vizquel ss 4 0 2 0 0 1 1 2
R. Alomar 2b 3 0 0 0 0 2 1 4
A. Ramirez rf 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
M. Ramirez rf 2 0 0 0 1 1 1 0
Sexson lf 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Justice dh 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Thome 1b 3 1 1 0 1 1 9 0
Cruz lf,cf 4 0 3 1 0 1 2 0
Branyan 3b 4 0 1 0 0 1 1 2
Diaz c 4 0 1 0 0 0 8 0
Langston p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Assenmacher p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Candiotti p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Reed p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 35 1 9 1 2 10 24 11
FIELDING -
E: Branyan (1).
BATTING -
2B: Cruz (1,off Irabu); Thome (16,off Irabu); Vizquel (15,off Yarnall).
Team LOB: 9.
New York Yankees AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Knoblauch 2b 4 1 1 1 1 2 0 3
Jeter ss 3 1 1 1 1 0 0 0
Sojo pr,ss 1 2 1 1 1 0 1 0
O'Neill rf 3 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
Ledee pr,rf 2 2 2 3 0 0 0 0
Williams cf 5 1 1 2 1 1 2 0
Davis dh 6 3 5 6 0 0 0 0
Martinez 1b 2 2 1 1 1 0 7 0
Manto ph,1b 3 0 1 0 0 1 3 0
Brosius 3b 5 3 2 2 1 0 1 1
Posada c 6 3 4 3 0 2 10 0
Curtis lf 4 3 2 1 2 0 2 0
Irabu p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Yarnall p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 44 21 21 21 9 7 27 4
FIELDING -
DP: 1.
BATTING -
2B: Brosius (17,off Langston); Curtis (4,off Langston); Davis (17,off Langston);
Posada (7,off Langston); Sojo (3,off Assenmacher).
HR: Brosius (10,6th inning off Assenmacher 0 on, 0 out); Davis (14,6th inning
off Candiotti 2 on, 2 out).
SF: Knoblauch (4,off Langston).
IBB: Jeter (4,by Langston).
Team LOB: 9.
PITCHINGCleveland Indians IP H R ER BB SO HR
Langston L(1-1) 4.1 10 9 7 3 2 0
Assenmacher 1.1 6 7 7 3 3 1
Candiotti 0.2 4 5 5 3 0 1
Reed 1.2 1 0 0 0 2 0
Totals 8 21 21 16 9 7 2
New York Yankees IP H R ER BB SO HR
Irabu W(7-3) 7 7 1 1 1 7 0
Yarnall 2 2 0 0 1 3 0
Totals 9 9 1 1 2 10 0
IBB: Langston (5,Jeter).
Umpires: Mike DiMuro, Terry Craft, Jim McKean, Eric Cooper
Time of Game: 3:30 Attendance: 54870
Play-by-play data not available for this game.



the major difference is we went on to WIN the World Series AGAIn while you guys did nothing last year.

[Hmark6]

Ah, come on you can do better than that. In the last 4 years (or more) the Yankees payroll has been 4 times that of the Tribe.

That's the Indians problem, not the Yankees.

Rank and file Yankee-hater. We have like 9357 on this board, so you'll fit in quite nicely.

EDIT: Good job nyjunc. Rep for you for digging that up.

[joek]

While it ain't over yet (19-11 Yankees in the bottom of the 8th) me thinkth you are going to end up with egg on your face.

That isn't egg. Again!

[joek]

1 Win

2 Series

[Jennifer]

Before a Dolan purchased the Indians and you got cheap how many WS did you win when we had similar payrolls in the 90s?

And on what basis do you consider the teams had similar payrolls? The average Yankee payroll from 1990 through 2000 was $52 million while the Tribe's was $39 million. The Jake opened in 1994 and in anticipation of a large increase in revenues there was a big bump in team payroll. From 1994 through 2000 the Yankees average payroll was $63.9 million to $53.2 million. The difference in those days allowed the Yankees to sign the best available free agent pitchers. The Tribe never had the money to sign even a single bona fide number 1 pitcher.

While I hate to defend Dolan there is a general proposition I must offer that you specifically, and most Yankee fans just don't seem to get. It is very simple and that is Cleveland, as well as many other cities with MLB team's are small to middle market teams. This puts them at a huge disadvantage compared to the Yankees. Still that is not the biggest advantage. The biggest advantage is that in its market it can dwarf in revenues what the vast majority of teams receive in television and radio revenue. Many teams couldn't spend $100 million dollars on player salaries even if the owners were infusing huge amounts of capital into the team every year. The Yankees can spend twice that and make a profit.

[Jennifer]

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the major difference is we went on to WIN the World Series AGAIn while you guys did nothing last year.

You have to go back to 1999?

In 2004 Yankee payroll $184.2 million - Tribe payroll $34.2 million.

[Jennifer]

That's the Indians problem, not the Yankees.

Rank and file Yankee-hater. We have like 9357 on this board, so you'll fit in quite nicely.

EDIT: Good job nyjunc. Rep for you for digging that up.

You really don't get why the Yankees and their fans are so disliked. The bottom-line is that year after year they bought championships. In the last four years they can't even do that.

2001 - $112.3 million (lost to Diamondbacks ($85.2 million) in World Series)

2002 - $125.9 million (lost to Angels ($61.7 million) in the Division)

2003 - $152.7 million (lost to Marlins ($48.8 million) in World Series)

2004 - $184.2 million (lost to Boston ($127.3 million) in ACLS after being up 3 games to none including being blown away in game 7 10-3).

2005 - $208.3 million (at this point in time it is unclear whether this payroll will be sufficient to get the Yankees into the playoffs).

Yankee fans gloat about how great their team is never ackowledging that it is money buying victories not superior ownership, not superior management and not a superior scouting and minor league system. If Oakland, Minnesota and even Cleveland, to name just three superior organizations had the money to spend that the Yankees had each would be far more dominant than the Yankees have been.

[Hmark6]

And on what basis do you consider the teams had similar payrolls? The average Yankee payroll from 1990 through 2000 was $52 million while the Tribe's was $39 million. The Jake opened in 1994 and in anticipation of a large increase in revenues there was a big bump in team payroll. From 1994 through 2000 the Yankees average payroll was $63.9 million to $53.2 million. The difference in those days allowed the Yankees to sign the best available free agent pitchers. The Tribe never had the money to sign even a single bona fide number 1 pitcher.

While I hate to defend Dolan there is a general proposition I must offer that you specifically, and most Yankee fans just don't seem to get. It is very simple and that is Cleveland, as well as many other cities with MLB team's are small to middle market teams. This puts them at a huge disadvantage compared to the Yankees. Still that is not the biggest advantage. The biggest advantage is that in its market it can dwarf in revenues what the vast majority of teams receive in television and radio revenue. Many teams couldn't spend $100 million dollars on player salaries even if the owners were infusing huge amounts of capital into the team every year. The Yankees can spend twice that and make a profit.

Who cares what the payrolls are/were? Don't blame poor franchise management on the Indians part on the Yankees spending. The payroll of the Yankees is just a scapegoat for bad teams performing badly. How about you just own the fact that the Indians couldn't get over the hump in the 90s? How many "bona fide number 1 starters" did the Angels have in 2002? How many "bona fide number 1 starters" did the Fishes have in 2003?

What would you like the Yankees to do with that money? Sit on it? They earn the revenue that they create, so they should be able to spend it as they choose. That's called capitalism. This uneven-payroll debate is tired. The landscape of baseball has change so drastically this year that I thought we were done fielding these conversations.

Owners love the Yankees spending what they do. The Royals can't draw to save there lives, but all of the sudden when the Yankees or Red Sox come to town, Look! 35,000 seats filled!

[General]

Just because the Indians' (and most other small-market team's ) owner is a cheap bastard doesnt mean the Yanks are buying their championships. EVERY ONE of the owners can have a payroll like that of the Yankees. Instead, they choose to keep the profits rather than put them back into the team.

[joek]

You really don't get why the Yankees and their fans are so disliked. The bottom-line is that year after year they bought championships. In the last four years they can't even do that.

2001 - $112.3 million (lost to Diamondbacks ($85.2 million) in World Series)

2002 - $125.9 million (lost to Angels ($61.7 million) in the Division)

2003 - $152.7 million (lost to Marlins ($48.8 million) in World Series)

2004 - $184.2 million (lost to Boston ($127.3 million) in ACLS after being up 3 games to none including being blown away in game 7 10-3).

2005 - $208.3 million (at this point in time it is unclear whether this payroll will be sufficient to get the Yankees into the playoffs).

Yankee fans gloat about how great their team is never ackowledging that it is money buying victories not superior ownership, not superior management and not a superior scouting and minor league system. If Oakland, Minnesota and even Cleveland, to name just three superior organizations had the money to spend that the Yankees had each would be far more dominant than the Yankees have been.

I think that the YANKEE payroll is to a large degree what it is because of reaching the playoffs, winning pennants, and winning WS in the late 90's. Several of those players have been rewarded handsomely for being the best players in the game and winning so consistently. Secondly, the YANKEES are fortunate to have an owner whose sole purpose is to win. Not many teams can say that. And he keeps investing and reinvesting and building the franchise. When Mr.S. bought the team, (before you where born) they where a strugling beaten down worthless franchise. Everything they are today is do to an owner who has put HIS money where his mouth is, unlike many of the lowlife owners who cheat their fans every year.

[Hmark6]

I think that the YANKEE payroll is to a large degree what it is because of reaching the playoffs, winning pennants, and winning WS in the late 90's. Several of those players have been rewarded handsomely for being the best players in the game and winning so consistently. Secondly, the YANKEES are fortunate to have an owner whose sole purpose is to win. Not many teams can say that. And he keeps investing and reinvesting and building the franchise. When Mr.S. bought the team, (before you where born) they where a strugling beaten down worthless franchise. Everything they are today is do to an owner who has put HIS money where his mouth is, unlike many of the lowlife owners who cheat their fans every year.

Truth. And George has got a big mouth and a lot of money!

[General]

So do all of the owners. They're just cheap.