Bruce Bochy and Bud Black chosen as All Star coaches by Charlie Manuel

[realmofotalk]

Did I say he should be immune of criticism?

You sure act like it, don't you think?

Not even mofo can look past what Bud Black has done with a talent deprived roster to this point in the season.

This is not the first time you've used the excuse of little talent to work with. No, you said the same thing last year when I had the audacity to criticize him while his team was losing. And it doesn't help that you had to work in the "I remind everyone that this is mofo speaking" angle. Like my rash opinion of him is extremist.

[HollywoodLeo]

I act like nothing.

I made a claim that you continue to dodge in favor of making proclamations of me being some extreme homer who refuses to accept criticism.

Is it not true that Bud Black has a team devoid of talent in first place?

But I guess that doesn't matter because he once brought a position player in to pitch in a meaningless game in the middle of a losing season.

[realmofotalk]

Please quote me where I said he has to get a mulligan.

While you're at it, quote where I said Bud Black should be devoid of criticism.

Does it have to be in those exact words? Isn't it telling that you are bothered by criticism of those two coaches and that is why you choose to defend them?

edit: Good job still ignoring the points made on the actual subject at hand.

What points? Oh, that I'm supposed to agree that Bud Black is a great manager because his team is finally doing something right in 3 years? And using payroll to measure a team's talent on paper is just erroneous. You can have a large payroll if your team is stocked with overpaid worthless ****s holding back much more talented youngsters who are making the league minimum.

[HollywoodLeo]

Who says I'm bothered by it? There you go jumping to conclusions again.

[realmofotalk]

I act like nothing.

I made a claim that you continue to dodge in favor of making proclamations of me being some extreme homer who refuses to accept criticism.

Is it not true that Bud Black has a team devoid of talent in first place?

But I guess that doesn't matter because he once brought a position player in to pitch in a meaningless game in the middle of a losing season.

Bud Black may have a team devoid of talent in first place and that one time he brought in a position player to pitch in a tied game may be just one questionable move (or so you make it seem by calling the game meaningless), but I do know if I'm going to grade a manager, his game-time decisions that directly affected the outcome of the game (and bringing in Josh Wilson to pitch is pretty blatant) are a lot more meaningful to me than analyzing his W-L record.

[realmofotalk]

And his most questionable managerial decision to date is still the time he pitched Brett Tomko in the playoff clinchable final regular season game and held out Peavy for the one-game playoff at Coors Field.

[realmofotalk]

And I take it you have nothing else to defend Bud Black past W-L record and team payroll. But good job of focusing instead on my usage of hyperbole that you take so literally.

[HollywoodLeo]

And his most questionable managerial decision to date is still the time he pitched Brett Tomko in the playoff clinchable final regular season game and held out Peavy for the one-game playoff at Coors Field.

Considering how well Peavy pitched in that game can you really question the decision?

[HollywoodLeo]

Bud Black may have a team devoid of talent in first place and that one time he brought in a position player to pitch in a tied game may be just one questionable move (or so you make it seem by calling the game meaningless), but I do know if I'm going to grade a manager, his game-time decisions that directly affected the outcome of the game (and bringing in Josh Wilson to pitch is pretty blatant) are a lot more meaningful to me than analyzing his W-L record.

Name me one manager who has never made a poor game-time decision.

Since you seem to not dispute the fact that there isn't much talent on the Padres roster if it isn't managing that has them tied in first place and the best record in the National League please enlighten me as to what does.

[realmofotalk]

Considering how well Peavy pitched in that game can you really question the decision?

Considering the alternative was Brett Tomko, yes I can.

[realmofotalk]

Name me one manager who has never made a poor game-time decision.

Since you seem to not dispute the fact that there isn't much talent on the Padres roster if it isn't managing that has them tied in first place and the best record in the National League please enlighten me as to what does.

They all make questionable decisions. The difference is I'm not quick defend these idiots based on W-L record. Grady ****ing Little has a winning record. So what? He's still best remembered for one poor game-time decision. And I realize I mock the whole "coaches who walk the sidelines and have no impact on the game" thing, but baseball is not like the other sports in terms of having a hand in the outcome of a game, unless one does something blatantly retarded in strategy. For instance, bringing in a position player to pitch in a tied extra inning game.

[realmofotalk]

And please, if there are numerous instances that support the Bud Black is a first-rate game tactician and worthy of his first-place team, go ahead and list them. That is if you actually follow the games instead of simply watching the standings and the payroll.

[HollywoodLeo]

Considering the alternative was Brett Tomko, yes I can.

I suppose Jake giving up 6 ERs in 6 innings would have been better in game 162.

[HollywoodLeo]

They all make questionable decisions. The difference is I'm not quick defend these idiots based on W-L record. Grady ****ing Little has a winning record. So what? He's still best remembered for one poor game-time decision. And I realize I mock the whole "coaches who walk the sidelines and have no impact on the game" thing, but baseball is not like the other sports in terms of having a hand in the outcome of a game, unless one does something blatantly retarded in strategy. For instance, bringing in a position player to pitch in a tied extra inning game.

And please, if there are numerous instances that support the Bud Black is a first-rate game tactician and worthy of his first-place team, go ahead and list them. That is if you actually follow the games instead of simply watching the standings and the payroll.

2 long winded paragraphs and you still failed to respond to the post you were quoting.

Since you seem to not dispute the fact that there isn't much talent on the Padres roster if it isn't managing that has them tied in first place and the best record in the National League please enlighten me as to what does.

[HollywoodLeo]

As for the Josh Wilson incident, your long-term memory seems to be failing you as I pretty much agreed with you in that thread. Or, at least half agreed with you. I don't think it would have been wise to burn yet another starter, but I didn't understand why the starter that was in couldn't have gone another inning.

But, in the end, it was just one game in a losing season. The Tomko decision was more meaningful and, while I perpetually defend the move, I can nevertheless comprehend an argument in favor of calling it a dumb move. (even if looking at it from a gametime perspective as opposed to using 20/20 hindsight)

But neither of these moves have anything to do with 2010 and you have yet to explain to me how the talentless Padres are still contending for first place.

I mean, since you actually watch the games and I just look at standings and payroll you must know, right?