2010 NFL Random Randoms Thread

[redsfan28]

Anyone gonna watch Old Man River play tonight? If so, watch early, cause he's only playing 2 series.

[Porter]

that's a cheap out to the argument, though.

he "finds ways to win". Ok, but how?

that's just an indirect way of blindly attributing his team's win loss record solely to him.

He has the ability to make plays when they get broken down with his feet or his arm. He does just enough to keep defenses honest and loading 9 in the Box to defend Chris Johnson.

[BuckFoston]

He has the ability to make plays when they get broken down with his feet or his arm. He does just enough to keep defenses honest and loading 9 in the Box to defend Chris Johnson.

Feet.. Maybe. Arm? Hell no.

[HollywoodLeo]

He has the ability to make plays when they get broken down with his feet or his arm. He does just enough to keep defenses honest and loading 9 in the Box to defend Chris Johnson.

but why does Chris Johnson get no credit for making teams want to stack the box?

that's my point here. Would "he" still have the same record if he didn't have a running back like Chris Johnson?

[Porter]

but why does Chris Johnson get no credit for making teams want to stack the box?

that's my point here. Would "he" still have the same record if he didn't have a running back like Chris Johnson?

It can be two ways. Can Chris Johnson get 2000 yards rushing if VY can't throw? When the team struggles who is the first person they blame after Jeff Fisher. It's not Chris Johnson.

BuckFoston - Didn't VY throw a game winning TD pass in his 1st or 2nd game back as the starter?

[Kingdom]

Kerry Collins had Chris Johnson in those first six games. Just as Young had Johnson in the next 10. Difference is, Young is actually a decent QB. You cannot say he wasn't apart of the reason they turned things around. But he's not 100% of the reason. They had a decent team, they just didn't have a QB to begin the season.

[HollywoodLeo]

It can be two ways. Can Chris Johnson get 2000 yards rushing if VY can't throw? When the team struggles who is the first person they blame after Jeff Fisher. It's not Chris Johnson.
BuckFoston - Didn't VY throw a game winning TD pass in his 1st or 2nd game back as the starter?

You can't use general, baseless fan opinion as some sort of proof.

these are the same people who put so muuch weight on a pitcher's win-loss record.

[HollywoodLeo]

and reversing the question on me is pointless because i'm not trying to credit Chris Johnson with his team's record by calling it "his" win loss record like you're doing with VY.

[HollywoodLeo]

Kerry Collins had Chris Johnson in those first six games. Just as Young had Johnson in the next 10. Difference is, Young is actually a decent QB. You cannot say he wasn't apart of the reason they turned things around. But he's not 100% of the reason. They had a decent team, they just didn't have a QB to begin the season.

i have not once in this thread said VY isn't a decent QB or even that he doesn't deserve a lot of credit. I just draw a line at pointing at "his" win-loss record like as though that's some kind of bottom line proof.

i mean, i can point out "Kerry's" 13-3 record the year before, but I don't believe in that type of argument.

[Kingdom]

You don't have to say it, but you've done nothing but allude to the fact by taking away any perceived achievement from him. Yeah, sure, it's easy to say Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won super bowls. But how much did those teams count on them to win games? Baltimore and Tampa had top defenses, defenses that scored a ton, special teams, and a ground game. Young has had some talent around him, like a strong defense, but nothing as strong as 2008 or as Baltimore and Tampa in the early 2000's.

And you could point that out, and I'm just going to point out how good their defense was in 2008. They had a lot more to mask Kerry Collins. They weren't nearly as great, they did not have Haynesworth, the defense line wasn't as productive, and Lendale White was.. well.. at some bar eating wings.

[Porter]

I think all 3 of us agree that VY is decent.

[Kingdom]

I need to find a thread where Leo hasn't started some odd argument or debate. What are the odds I can find a Mofo thread without him starting the same? Zilch? Lightning striking twice in the same spot?

[Porter]

You wont find one.

[Kingdom]

Challenge accepted!

[Kingdom]

Got it. http://www.baseballslant.com/forums/...ned-fired.html