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    Despite big bats, Reds half a team

    Despite big bats, Reds half a team
    Column by The Post's Lonnie Wheeler

    First of all, it's hard to win championships in a quirky ballpark. Ask the Cubs. Ask the Rockies. Ask the Red Sox fans, who were fully prepared for last year to never happen.

    Great American doesn't look like a quirky Ball Park. It looks, in fact, patently unquirky, sort of Middle American Mediocre, in an eclectic, comfortable kind of way. But the thing plays like a bad boy, as Eric Milton and Ramon Ortiz, et al, will be pleased to corroborate.

    Adam Dunn could hit a ball out of any park, including Kentucky Horse - I mean, standing at home plate in Cincinnati - but his 275 pounds are put together just right (or just left, actually, an important point) for our taxpayer palace. With healthy hamstrings, Ken Griffey Jr. is a classic Great American, as well.

    The question this begs is whether the Reds really do have the best lineup in the National League, as would be suggested by the fact that theirs has scored more runs than any other. That's what a lineup is supposed to do, after all. Cincinnati's may not be beautifully balanced or particularly opportunistic, but it beefs up a box score. Essentially, this is a happenstance of homers.

    What we're leading up to is an assessment of the talent on hand, for which it is necessary to determine whether the big numbers are truly a function of big batters, or whether they benefit disproportionately from big breezes (or whatever it is that carries baseballs to the distant climes of The Gap).

    The data show that, combining both teams, Reds games involve an average of 2.4 home runs on the road and 3.2 at home, suggesting that Great American increases a player's power by 33 percent. Similarly, it makes a Cincinnati pitcher that much more susceptible to the long ball when his back is to the state line.

    The point is, we have to understand the ballpark before we can understand the ball club. If the Reds appear tilted toward the hitting side, it's partly because their playing field is so profoundly uneven.

    That said, they still need pitchers. With the trade deadline looming at the end of the week, it's still power that they possess for peddling potential, and pitching that remains the priority. No matter how many currents and alleys and hyper-friendly fences you factor in, the Reds still score more runs than any other team in the loop, and surrender more, besides.

    It would be a mistake, however, to infer from these facts that such as Dunn should be traded. He is, by this accounting, number two on the list of whom the Reds should retain as their core for the next several seasons.

    Surpassing him would be only Felipe Lopez, who has fast become the most potent-hitting shortstop in the league. Manager Jerry Narron stated the other day that Lopez's batting prowess will soon qualify him as a third-place batter in practically any order. As shortstops go, that's gem-like.

    Then there's the tall Texan whose home run Sunday was his 28th of a stellar season, and incidentally won the game, 3-2. In such respects, Dunn's timing is not as imprecise as some people make it out to be.
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    It didn't really tell us anything we didn't know, but it's a quality article. In order of who I'd like to keep...

    1. Dunn
    2. Lopez
    3. Kearns

    If we keep those three around for a long time, our offense is going to be very, very good.

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    As recently as last Thursday OB said that GABP is a pitching neutral park. To a man the players all seem to feel differently and they ought to know. As for Dan O'Brien, go figure...

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    GABP is a pitching neutral park. It is only above average at yielding HR. Overall, it's neutral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CincyRedsFan30
    GABP is a pitching neutral park. It is only above average at yielding HR. Overall, it's neutral.
    I think the players that play there would tend to disagree with you. Isn't it true that the Reds are scoring more runs at home than on the road this year?

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    I heard this morning that the Reds are scoring a little better than 2 runs a game more at home than on the road. I think they're giving up less than a run more on the road than at home so that still means that a significant difference of runs scored exists.

    I've never heard a pitcher yet praise any aspect of GABP.

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    Statistics have proven it to be a neutral park. The only reason it doesn't look that way is because the Reds pitching has been so bad, particularly when it comes to giving up HR. Unfortunately it does yield more HR than most parks, but is neutral overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CincyRedsFan30
    Statistics have proven it to be a neutral park. The only reason it doesn't look that way is because the Reds pitching has been so bad, particularly when it comes to giving up HR. Unfortunately it does yield more HR than most parks, but is neutral overall.
    I know that's where you're coming from but I disagree. You can make statistics say what you want. Looking at runs scored this year they say what I want. Don't fret. You're in good company. You and Dan O'Brien are on the same page

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    The Reds' offense and pitching has been better at home this year. The reason so many Runs have been scored at GABP is because even though their pitching has been BETTER at home, it's still been one of the worst in MLB History. The Reds' pitching skews the number of Runs Scored at GABP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CincyRedsFan30
    The Reds' offense and pitching has been better at home this year. The reason so many Runs have been scored at GABP is because even though their pitching has been BETTER at home, it's still been one of the worst in MLB History. The Reds' pitching skews the number of Runs Scored at GABP.
    exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by CincyRedsFan30
    The Reds' offense and pitching has been better at home this year. The reason so many Runs have been scored at GABP is because even though their pitching has been BETTER at home, it's still been one of the worst in MLB History. The Reds' pitching skews the number of Runs Scored at GABP.
    OK, why such a huge differential in runs scored for our Reds? I think it's because it's a HR park and we have a hard time scoring when the ball doesn't leave the park.

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    That doesn't explain why the pitching is better at home, then.

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