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  • Justin Verlander, DET

    4 28.57%
  • Miguel Cabrera, DET

    4 28.57%
  • Jose Bautista, TOR

    4 28.57%
  • Michael Young, TEX

    0 0%
  • Paul Konerko, CHW

    0 0%
  • Curtis Granderson, NYY

    0 0%
  • Robinson Cano, NYY

    0 0%
  • Adrian Gonzalez, BOS

    1 7.14%
  • Jacoby Ellsbury, BOS

    1 7.14%
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Thread: Who is the AL MVP?

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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porter99 View Post
    When the pitcher throws the pitch, that leads to those 3 things you listed.

    just playing devils advocate
    But if there's people on base it's (mostly) on the pitcher
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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    To kill the Verlander for MVP thing...

    Gibson MVP: 304 IP, 1.12 ERA, 28 CGs.
    McLain MVP: 336 IP, 1.96 ERA, 28 CGs
    Koufax MVP: 311 IP, 1.88 ERA, 20 CGs, 11 SHO
    Verlander MVP: 244 IP, 2.40 ERA, 4 CGs

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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Foster View Post
    To kill the Verlander for MVP thing...

    Gibson MVP: 304 IP, 1.12 ERA, 28 CGs.
    McLain MVP: 336 IP, 1.96 ERA, 28 CGs
    Koufax MVP: 311 IP, 1.88 ERA, 20 CGs, 11 SHO
    Verlander MVP: 244 IP, 2.40 ERA, 4 CGs
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    Gibson: 268 (yeah he deserved)
    Koufax: 159
    Verlander: 171

    About that argument, Those 3 pitched in a different era than Verlander.
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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Yeah I don't think you read the CG's stat!

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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Koufax 7.775 per start
    McClain 8.11 per start
    Verlander 7.33 per start

    Gibson's season was off the charts. In today's baseball the reliever and pitch counts took over thought processes of managers and how they handled pitchers. Name at any point in time that "setup" men were used in 60's. Imagine Verlander on a different mound (like Gibson, Koufax and McClain) at 15 feet.
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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    I can name plenty of times setup men were used in the 1960's. They just weren't used near as often as now. Still doesn't take away from Foster's argument that pitchers back then did a lot more than today's pitcher and why they were considered legitimate MVP's. The fact that things are different now makes Foster's point even clearer. Things are different and there are more deserving players for MVP, even on his own team!

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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    I voted for Bautista lol.
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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Well...we...missed. Except for DK, Trendy, and Hammer Nelson.
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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    We're almost in December and I voted on this poll so long ago that I had to go back to find out who I voted for because I honestly didn't remember.

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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    CRP Disease?

    Can't remember polls?

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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Quote Originally Posted by love_that_reefer View Post
    I can name plenty of times setup men were used in the 1960's. They just weren't used near as often as now. Still doesn't take away from Foster's argument that pitchers back then did a lot more than today's pitcher and why they were considered legitimate MVP's. The fact that things are different now makes Foster's point even clearer. Things are different and there are more deserving players for MVP, even on his own team!
    The writers didn't think so, apparently.
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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Wouldn't be the first time they were wrong, won't be the last either.

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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom_of_Zito View Post
    Well...we...missed. Except for DK, Trendy, and Hammer Nelson.


    Prez you sneaky bastard, getting that pick in after the announcement.
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    Re: Who is the AL MVP?

    Drinking some sorrows away indeed.

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