View Poll Results: NL 1st half MVP

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  • Jose Reyes

    2 18.18%
  • Andrew McCutchen

    2 18.18%
  • Matt Kemp

    2 18.18%
  • Lance Berkman

    5 45.45%
  • Prince Fielder

    0 0%
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Thread: 2011 1st Half NL MVP

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    Re: 2011 1st Half NL MVP

    Possibly but either way I wouldn't vote for Kemp as I have already made my case Kemp belongs in the discussion though

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    Re: 2011 1st Half NL MVP

    You can't say an MVP should never come from a last place team and then say a player from a last place team (or one very close to it) "belongs in the discussion".

    Going off the premise that an MVP should never come from a team in that bad of shape, nobody from those teams belongs in the discussion.
    LeagueTeamyearsRecordWild CardDivisionPennantsTitles
    MSLSan Diego Padres2034-20592,217-1,9951631
    TBLArizona Diamondbacks2005-20181,216-1,0531963
    TSSLSan Diego Padres2015-2021, 2024-20281,017-9280732
    TSSLTexas Rangers2029-2033396-4140000

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    Re: 2011 1st Half NL MVP

    Sure I can say it. I just don't have to vote that way Nothing wrong with having discussion about the game's best players.

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    Re: 2011 1st Half NL MVP

    It's just not a valid argument, is all. If nobody from "team x" (defined by your argument as a last place team) can be an MVP then nobody from "team x" belongs in the discussion.

    Of course, I read "belongs in the discussion" as "somebody I wouldn't vote for but he certainly deserves consideration" or "somebody I might vote for if not for the player I am voting for". But I suppose if you just take that phrase at face value then it's a different story.
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    MSLSan Diego Padres2034-20592,217-1,9951631
    TBLArizona Diamondbacks2005-20181,216-1,0531963
    TSSLSan Diego Padres2015-2021, 2024-20281,017-9280732
    TSSLTexas Rangers2029-2033396-4140000

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    Re: 2011 1st Half NL MVP

    Its not a valid argument because there is no argument to be made. I personally wouldn't vote for someone like Kemp but he does belong in the conversation because some view the MVP award as the "Best player award". I do not but I'm not so close minded as to not allow the discussion since I know not everyone shares my views. I'm not the only one in the discussion or else it wouldn't be a discussion
    Last edited by love_that_reefer; 07-15-2011 at 12:37 AM.

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    Re: 2011 1st Half NL MVP

    So, face value then. Moving on.

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