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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    It is promising relievers that we have in the minor leagues. We don't have as many good young starters. Garcia was probably our best one, and he will miss next season. If the Cardinals have any money to be spent long term, then it needs to be on starters, because as you can tell by the first post, we need them badly.

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    There just aren't any starters to sign on the long term. I have said all along starters were easier to get that a legit closer. Cards do have nice relievers but no closer. Closer by committee never works as we all saw from last year's Cards team. Of course the Cards have money to spend, they haven't done a ****ing thing all offseason.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    Quote Originally Posted by love_that_reefer View Post
    There just aren't any starters to sign on the long term. I have said all along starters were easier to get that a legit closer. Cards do have nice relievers but no closer. Closer by committee never works as we all saw from last year's Cards team. Of course the Cards have money to spend, they haven't done a ****ing thing all offseason.
    If you believe Dewitt, they don't have much money to spend. I'm not saying I do, just that it's what he is saying now. Well, there aren't very many starters left now, but there were some starters that could have been signed earlier in the offseason. They were more concerned with Fuentes at that time than fixing the rotation though. Whether it is easier than finding a "legit" closer is easier than finding a good starter isn't even the point. Signing Fuentes for $33 Mil (which is probably what it would have taken any team not in LA to sign him) would have been a huge mistake. Fuentes isn't worth that. Perez will do just fine, and be a much cheaper alternative. We can go in house and find a closer, but we can't go in house to find a starter, because we really don't have any that are ready. Mitchell Boggs isn't the answer. Motte/Perez as setup/closer isn't closer by committee.

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    Again, I just don't see how anyone can say Perez will do fine. There is zero evidence to suggest that. Signing Fuentes would not have been a mistake. Not signing a closer is the mistake. And yes, Motte, Perez and whoever else the Cards will have closing will be closers by committee just like last year.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    How is having one closer...Chris Perez... closer by committee?

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    Quote Originally Posted by love_that_reefer View Post
    Again, I just don't see how anyone can say Perez will do fine. There is zero evidence to suggest that.
    Are you sure you watched him last year?

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyEights View Post
    How is having one closer...Chris Perez... closer by committee?
    Perez won't be the everyday closer or at least he shouldn't be. The Cards will use more than Perez. LaRussa has no faith in him or anyone else in that pen to be the everyday closer.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyEights View Post
    Are you sure you watched him last year?
    Yeah I watched him but starting to wonder if you did. He gave up big hit after big hit and wasn't that consistent.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    I watched every innning of every Cardinals game last season.

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    Then you must have short term memory because nothing was impressive about Perez and nothing suggest he will do well as closer in '09. LaRussa has no faith in him and neither do I.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    Quote Originally Posted by love_that_reefer View Post
    Perez won't be the everyday closer or at least he shouldn't be. The Cards will use more than Perez. LaRussa has no faith in him or anyone else in that pen to be the everyday closer.
    You don't know that, and neither does LaRussa. At least not until Spring Training. LaRussa has a problem putting young pitchers in what could be stressfull positions. He has ever since he started Rick Ankiel in game 1 against the Atlanta Braves. It seems like ever since that day, he has had a difficult time doing that.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    Yes, I do know that. There is no everyday closer so they have no choice but go by committee. LaRussa has been wanting a closer all offseason for that reason, He said it was the #1 priority of the offseason. Only guy that has a chance to be the everyday closer is Carpenter.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    Since our options are dwindling, the Cardinals need to make Ben Sheets an offer.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    Leech thinks the Cardinals may not be done shopping for a Starting Pitcher. I just wished there were comments from Mo stating that he is still looking, because I'm beginning to lose hope.

    ST. LOUIS -- Barring a surprising development of some sort, the Cardinals' closer for 2009 is likely already on the club's roster. The situation at second base may be unclear, but odds are that most of the at-bats there will also be taken by players already in-house.
    One area where the Redbirds would still love to make an upgrade, though, is the starting rotation. Ideally, the club would trade from its surplus of outfielders to add a starting pitcher, but free agency is also an option.

    The problem is that the Cards have made it clear that they have no interest in a long-term deal for a starter. They already have three starting pitchers -- Chris Carpenter, Kyle Lohse and Adam Wainwright -- under contract through at least 2011. Thus there is a reluctance to commit that many years in another contract for the same segment of the team.

    On the other end of things, though, the Cardinals are also reluctant to take on a pitcher with a risky health profile. Carpenter's uncertain status is one of the reasons St. Louis would like to acquire another starter. That adds up to a tough sell -- a healthy and dependable starter who won't command a long-term deal.

    Here's a look at the starters remaining on the market. It's a relatively short list. Only nine unsigned (and not yet retired) free-agent starters pitched 150 innings last year. Of those nine, Paul Byrd recently told FOXSports.com that he doesn't intend to pitch in the first half, and it's uncertain whether Kenny Rogers will choose to pitch again.

    That leaves a list of seven: Andy Pettitte, Braden Looper, Ben Sheets, Jon Garland, Oliver Perez, Randy Wolf and Odalis Perez.

    Jon Garland: His agent, Craig Landis, has confirmed to MLB.com that the Cardinals "have called," but nothing further. Still, Garland fits in several ways. He's pitched more than 190 innings in each of the past seven seasons. He throws strikes, and though he's not really a groundball pitcher, neither was Jeff Suppan -- a pitcher in some ways comparable to Garland. It's unclear what exactly the market is for Garland, who declined arbitration and is a Type B free agent.

    Andy Pettitte: In some ways, he's a perfect fit. A left-hander would add some balance to the St. Louis rotation, and Pettitte reconsiders his desire to keep pitching each winter -- so he could likely be had on a one-year deal. He's the only remaining free agent who reached 200 innings in 2008. In fact, he's hit that milestone four years running. Pettitte would likely cost quite a bit -- he reportedly turned down $10 million from the Yankees -- but also might well be worth it.

    Braden Looper: Remember him? Looper was a dependable member of the St. Louis rotation two years running. The Cardinals declined to offer him arbitration, but the truth is that if the Cards are shopping in the free-agent starter marketplace, they're essentially looking to replace Looper.


    Randy Wolf: The Cardinals pursued Wolf aggressively in the winter of 2006-07, when he turned them down to go home to the West Coast. He's coming off his first season of more than 23 starts or 136 2/3 innings since 2003, a history that may give the Redbirds pause. But he's a lefty, and he thrived in the NL Central after a trade to Houston.
    Odalis Perez: The Cardinals have some history of putting a lot of weight on what they've seen with their own eyes. If that's the case with Perez, he won't be signing in St. Louis. Cardinals fans likely best know the former Brave, Dodger, Royal and National as Albert Pujols' personal punching bag, but he's coming off a quietly solid year in Washington.

    Ben Sheets: For sheer effectiveness, there's no one in Sheets' league on this list. He's the closest thing to an ace, but everyone knows his health history. Most recent was elbow trouble that kept him out of the playoffs -- and likely kept him from being considered for the sort of megadeal that A.J. Burnett received. Sheets' market is one of the hardest to read, but some teams have clear interest -- notably the Rangers. Like Pettitte, he probably won't be cheap. Like Pettitte, there's a reason for that.

    Oliver Perez: If the Cardinals stick to a short-term strategy, it's difficult to envision them signing Perez. The left-hander is, according to numerous reports, in line for one of the bigger pitching deals this winter, especially after the Mets missed out on Derek Lowe.

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    Re: What will our rotation look like in 2009?

    I say give Ben Sheets a one year deal with an option given he reaches a certain amount of innings. Offer Andy Pettitte a one year deal worth $8 million and see if he bites. If not, no loss. Pettitte could be a good #5 in the NL. Cards need to so something. Their offseason "shopping" has been very weak this year.

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