What is Productive for a player?

[padrefanforever]

We have many debates/arguements that stem from what seems to be people having different ideas of what a players worth to a team is, or whether or not they could be productive etc.........So I think it makes sense for people to tell everyone what they believe is productive. That way the rest of us will know where you're coming from.........

Blum and Jenkins are a good place to start .........

A productive starting 2b in my mind for this teams needs must be a guy that puts up stats near or better than .280+ba / .750+OPS, while playing stellar defense ( maybe not GG, but stellar ).........IMO Blum can't do that

A productive starting corner OFer for this teams needs must be a guy now that puts up stats near or better than .280+ / 25+hr's / 90+rbi, with great range, and a strong arm, especially in RF. Preferrably batting from the right side of the plate..........IMO Jenkins can't touch that

[padrefanforever]

Glad to see you all jumped on the chance to explain yourselfs......

[love_that_reefer]

I was waiting for you know who.

[padrefanforever]

Why wait........why not put down what you think first........that way we all know it wasn't reactionary to whatever was written by him

[FmrFresnan]

So he can tell me how wrong I am without putting his opinion in...just the way it works.

[FmrFresnan]

Just so he can't say "where's your opinion"

Productive to me is a player that can do pretty much everything.

Sac fly
Sac bunt
Hit the ball to the right side of the infield with runners on 1st and 2nd, I guess otherwise known as moving runners.
Hit with runners in scoring position
I think PFF's batting average is fair at .280+
I think a OBP of .340 - .350 is fair
I think 15-18 HR's is productive, I don't think you need 25-30 to be called productive.

On the defensive side, I don't think you need to play G.G. defense, but average, enough where you're costing your team games. I think less than 10-12 errors is acceptable, or maybe I'm high balling that one.

[padrefanforever]

Just so he can't say "where's your opinion"

Productive to me is a player that can do pretty much everything.


I think 15-18 HR's is productive, I don't think you need 25-30 to be called productive.

You don't have to have a ton of HR's.........but you better be a huge RBI guy then........otherwise wheres the production......why don't you add what you think the RBI totals should be at 15-18 HR's

[love_that_reefer]

I always put my opinion down!! When have I not? That's what all you guys cry about is my opinions. Sorry but you are going to get over the Blum shit!

A productive second baseman to me is someone who can hit .280+, an OBP of .360+ with some speed and can play his position above average. He make all the plays and has a great arm to turn the DP. RBI depends on where he hits in the lineup so that would be tricky. I would like my second baseman to hit close to 20 HRs but not necessary to hit that many. He works the count and knows how to take a walk. This is what I would consider "productive", not anything on the level of Alomar, Sandberg or even Kent. The more I think about it, "productive" sounds like "average".

[FmrFresnan]

You don't have to have a ton of HR's.........but you better be a huge RBI guy then........otherwise wheres the production......why don't you add what you think the RBI totals should be at 15-18 HR's

I don't think you need to hit the 100 RBI mark to be called productive. I think 90-95 is fair.

As for Reefer's last point, I think we're confusing "productive" with All-Star caliber. I think you can be an average player and still be productive.

[padrefanforever]

"productive" is what they all should be...........it is very average..........

when you start out producing the avg. you've got something special.........

when you start out producing those guys, you have an allstar.

[love_that_reefer]

Roberto Alomar would be my ideal second baseman.

[padrefanforever]

He was ours......and we let him go