2008 Payroll

[love_that_reefer]

Yeah pop wasn't the right word. Power was the word. Gonzelez, Greene and a rookie should provide all the strikeouts you want. Even with those added players and your so called predictions from existing players, it's still not that much of an improvement offensively. But hey, **** it! Better chance for the Giants to potentially take third in the division.

[HollywoodLeo]

Even if the Padres go into 2008 with figuratively the same team as they had in 2007 it's not the forgone conclusion that they finish the same in the standings that you've been making it out to be.

Just sayin

[love_that_reefer]

Not improving while the Dbacks, Dodgers, and Rockies will most likely be a lot better because of all their young talent isn't promising.

[FmrFresnan]

Crisp is only an upgrade defensively over Cameron. Fukedome will produce about the same as LF did last season so the only good thing would be one LFer rather than four LFers. And saying he would produce the same is being generous. NL West is stacked with good pitching, far better than what Japan has to offer and playing in PetCo will hurt. Whomever is playing second won't provide the offense needed. This team the way you have it will not be any better than last year's team.

How do you know what the 2nd baseman will provide? It's a little premature to start saying someone won't provide offense, especially with Antonelli as he's had 0 major league time. From the numbers he's shown through AA, I think he'll do quite well.

[FmrFresnan]

Reefer, there have been 0 free agents added to any teams as of yet, there isn't 1 team that has a set roster for 2008. When the 2007 season started, did anyone pick 2 NL West teams to face off in the NLCS? NO. People kept saying Arizona would falter down the stretch, they never did.

Once Spring Training rolls around, then we can start talking about where next year's team is going to finish, or any team for that matter. The players that PFF has talked about adding will upgrade this team from last year.

While we're at it, there's been a lot of talk about Noah Lowry or Tim Linecum being traded....and that helps the Giants how?

[HollywoodLeo]

To be fair to Reefer he wasn't really predicting how the Padres will perform, but rather predicting how they would perform should they set the roster that PFF posted.

[FmrFresnan]

I think it's a little premature to predict how additions to this team will perform. But, that's just me. All I'm worried about at this point is to upgrade the team as a whole.

Pitching:

Sign Clement
Trade for Prior
Resign Doug Brocail
talk to Boras about Eric Gagne

Offense:

Trade for Coco Crisp
Sign Mark Loretta
Sign Geoff Blum

That's it for me, I just completely blanked on the rest of what I wanted to do. Apparently it's been a longer day than I thought. Please add to that if you have ideas.

[padrefanforever]

Maddux's 10m option p/u........no change........but one down, many to go....

1B Adrian Gonzales $0.750m
2B Antonelli $0.380m
SS Khalil Greene $4.0m ***Arbitration Eligible
3B Kevin Kouzmanoff $0.380m
C Bard $1.5mRF Brian Giles $9.0m
CF Crisp at $4m
LF Fukudome at $10M

SP Jake Peavy $6.0m
SP Chris Young $2.5m
SP Greg Maddux $10.0m
SP $5m spent on fliers for 3 guys like Clement, and then trade for Prior
SP Hensley, Cassel, Germano, LeBlanc $0.380-0.490m

RP Trevor Hoffman $7.5m
RP Heath Bell $0.380m
RP Cla Meredith $0.380m
RP Thatcher $0.380mRP Hampson $0.380m
RP Cameron / long releiver $0.380m

BENCH Blum $0.900m
BENCH Hairston $0.500m
BENCH Lane ? $1m
BENCH Loretta ? $2m ( competes with Ant to start, or backs up IF with Blum )
BENCH catcher ?
BENCH ???

$25.32m added


Total Payroll = $67.36m

Leaves $3-8m to fill in the bench (or contracts that I've made errors with or been slightly short on, keep in mind I might have overshot others so it could be a wash of errors, either way I think it's probably close)

[love_that_reefer]

How do you know what the 2nd baseman will provide? It's a little premature to start saying someone won't provide offense, especially with Antonelli as he's had 0 major league time. From the numbers he's shown through AA, I think he'll do quite well.

I don't know but I do know it won't be enough to get you guys over the huge hump in the NL West. Giles + Blum=Antonelli. Like you said, He has zero MLB time. Just being realistic.

[love_that_reefer]

Reefer, there have been 0 free agents added to any teams as of yet, there isn't 1 team that has a set roster for 2008. When the 2007 season started, did anyone pick 2 NL West teams to face off in the NLCS? NO. People kept saying Arizona would falter down the stretch, they never did.

Once Spring Training rolls around, then we can start talking about where next year's team is going to finish, or any team for that matter. The players that PFF has talked about adding will upgrade this team from last year.

While we're at it, there's been a lot of talk about Noah Lowry or Tim Linecum being traded....and that helps the Giants how?

No free agents have been signed yes we know but teams like the Dbacks, Dodgers and Rockies don't have many holes to fill and will rely on their great young talent. Yes that same talent that got the Dabcks and Rockies into the playoffs. Yes some people did think two teams could come out of the West as everyone knew it would be a strong one. I didn't but wished I did. The players PFF will not upgrade anything which is what I have been saying. The Padres need run producers and his guys aren't that. Same shit different day.

Now to answer your question, Lincecum is not being shopped but Lowry is. Giants need offense and holes to fill worse than the Padres. Sabean will listen all day long to offers for Cain and Lincecum but will have to be blown away by a Cabrera or Santana or someoen of that stature. Lowry makes sense to move because we do have a lot of young pitching and Lowry is a solid #3 pitcher. We can get a quality bat for him which we need. Not a lot of FA's are going to want to go to SF because they aren't going to be contenders in 08.

[padrefanforever]

-Fukudome IMO is a massive upgrade on both sides of the ball
-Crisp is a slight upgrade on both sides of the ball, but we take a hit on HR's
-Kouz needs pick up where he left off and I think he will, that alone will be huge
-AGon should continue to progress into a great overall player
-KG needs to pick up where he left off at the end of the year controlling the strikezone better and driving the shit out of the ball.

These things happen and our lineup is substantially better..........keep in mind we had nothing from our 3bag until week 5 of the season........and LF was an abyss forever.......those two things being addressed could equal far more wins ......

My big concern is can our pitching duplicate efforts.......if they can't.......we're in trouble........this roster is better, that lineup would be better........but if our pitching doesn't show up like last year will it matter ?

[FmrFresnan]

I don't know but I do know it won't be enough to get you guys over the huge hump in the NL West. Giles + Blum=Antonelli. Like you said, He has zero MLB time. Just being realistic.

Reefer, you just countered yourself. You don't know how he will produce, but you know it won't be enough. If you don't know how he's going to produce, how can you say it won't be enough? Either you know or you don't.

Look, yes, Antonelli is coming into this season as, possibly, a rookie. From what Grady Fuson has been saying and the belief the Padres' front office has in him, I think he'll do quite well. And to sit there and say Giles+Blum=Antonelli is ludicrous at this point.

[FmrFresnan]

[quote=love_that_reefer;320847]No free agents have been signed yes we know but teams like the Dbacks, Dodgers and Rockies don't have many holes to fill and will rely on their great young talent. Yes that same talent that got the Dabcks and Rockies into the playoffs. Yes some people did think two teams could come out of the West as everyone knew it would be a strong one. I didn't but wished I did. The players PFF will not upgrade anything which is what I have been saying. The Padres need run producers and his guys aren't that. Same shit different day.[quote]

I believe I said noone predicted to NL West teams in the NLCS, not just the playoffs. Because, the preseason predictions I've seen, I haven't seen 1 that had 2 NL West teams in the NLCS.

Now, though PFF and I disagree on some of the players we want to bring in, I think the idea of upgrading the team remains the same. If the Padres upgrade their rotation by making a trade for Mark Prior, sign a Matt Clement, and on top of that, you get a completely healthy Clay Hensley. With just those 3 additions, there's no question this team just got better. If they can upgrade their rotation, keep their bullpen just as strong as last season, then add a Coco Crisp, Matt Antonelli, Mark Loretta and maybe, just maybe an Andruw Jones for 1 year, that's definetely a better team than last season.

[love_that_reefer]

Mark Prior? The same Mark Prior that has played in 9 games in two seasons and has only sniffed 200 IP once? Clement too doesn't necessarily make any upgrade. Jones will be interesting but doubt Petco is the cure for his offensive woes. The Padres had zero .300 hitters. How is Crisp, Jones, Antonelli or Fukudome going to solve this? I do expect Kouz to progress but probably won't see a hike in Gonzo's production. With no one hitting around him, I wouldn't pitch to him with men on base. Crisp gives you better defensive with little speed on the base paths and a mediocre OBP, Fukudome gives you a Giles type player with better defense and Antonelli gives you a AA second baseman. I guess the point of all this is the Padres can and will do a lot better than this and it is hilarious that you guys think this is the best you can do.

[love_that_reefer]

Reefer, you just countered yourself. You don't know how he will produce, but you know it won't be enough. If you don't know how he's going to produce, how can you say it won't be enough? Either you know or you don't.

Look, yes, Antonelli is coming into this season as, possibly, a rookie. From what Grady Fuson has been saying and the belief the Padres' front office has in him, I think he'll do quite well. And to sit there and say Giles+Blum=Antonelli is ludicrous at this point.

He will be an upgrade defensively and hit for a better average but won't give the production you need. I now see why Stansberry was favored by ESPN, more of a proven comodity.