2008 Payroll

[FmrFresnan]

I wouldn't take what ESPN says as fact. If the Padres' front office thinks Antonelli needs some time in AAA, I think you might see a guy like Mark Loretta in there as the starter come opening day, unless Stansberry or Antonelli win the job outright. It's a little premature to give anyone that job at this point.

[HollywoodLeo]

I can see them starting Stransberry there if it helps them fill CF and LF, as well as another SP better.

[FmrFresnan]

There was an article that I saw, I can't remember where I saw it, but it was saying that Antonelli has the speed to play CF if he doesn't win the 2nd base job outright.

[FmrFresnan]

Here's the article I was talking about, it was part of Tom Krasovic's article on the UT's website....

Padres farm overseer Grady Fuson said Double-A star Matt Antonelli should be ready to help as a second baseman/leadoff man in 2008, but if he doesn't cut it there, his speed could allow him to move to center field.

SignOnSanDiego.com > San Diego Padres -- Padres must get better to get back

[padrefanforever]

Aside from HR's........Crisp in a down season last year was still better than Cameron with the bat in just about every catagory.......so it's hardly a step backwards......lateral maybe, but definately not backwards.......and it's possible that he could turn his career around and be the guy he was before going to Boston.......plus he's still young and brings much better defense than Cameron now.

Fukudome, I believe, would be a massive upgrade over our starting situation last year, and his arm is so much stronger than Giles that he'd be playing RF, allowing for Giles to move back to LF and split playing time with Hairston.

I have LO on the bench, as I'm hoping that Ant beats him outright for the job, but if he can't, just sub LO in that starting 9.......either way I'm very ok with it.......Stansberry isn't on the roster as of now I don't think.......under team control yes, but w/o contract I think.......

IMO that 9 is far better than the 9 we started with last year.......so much so that it's not even close.......

[love_that_reefer]

Crisp is only an upgrade defensively over Cameron. Fukedome will produce about the same as LF did last season so the only good thing would be one LFer rather than four LFers. And saying he would produce the same is being generous. NL West is stacked with good pitching, far better than what Japan has to offer and playing in PetCo will hurt. Whomever is playing second won't provide the offense needed. This team the way you have it will not be any better than last year's team.

[padrefanforever]

Crisp BA > Cameron
Crisp OBP > Cameron
Crisp SB's > Cameron
Crisp D > Cameron

Crisp > Cameron for this team

Fukudome's stats will not translate equally, and nobody has suggested they would........but I do believe whoever gets this guy will be getting a legitimate stud OFer who can control the strikezone, hit for Avg, hit for some power, who will produce extra base hits, while playing near flawless defense armed with a cannon........

He's far better than anyone we had during the first half, and very well might put up #'s similar to what we got during the 2nd half from LF.........and if we had that all year long it would be a VAST improvement. I think whoever gets this guy is going to have that kind of production.

If you don't agree......that's fine......wont change much around here

[HollywoodLeo]

Crisp BA > Cameron

True

Crisp OBP > Cameron

Cameron's career OBP > Crisp's

Crisp SB's > Cameron

Not by nearly enough to make it really matter

Crisp D > Cameron

True

Crisp > Cameron for this team

Not by all that much, really

It'd be a push at best.

[padrefanforever]

Not by all that much, really

It'd be a push at best.

The problem here is people are acting like someone has suggested that Crisp is the next coming vs. Cameron.........thats simply not the case........just pointing out that he is a better player now overall than Cameron is.......

And if Cameron didn't wreck his chances at a payday with this failed test, Crisp will cost less $$$, yes he'll cost players, but I've also said if it's the wrong players screw this deal too........I've said that a few times and in a few places.......so if it's not on here.......it is now........

Crisp > Cameron for this team.......maybe not by much.......but he is better for this team now.......and since it's very much a what have you done lately situation........

I'm for going with the guy that is younger, hits for better BA, has a better OBP, steals more bases, and plays better D, and who is likely to cost less ( this is up in the air now )

[love_that_reefer]

The Padres problem is scoring runs and Crisp and Fukudome aren't likely to address these problems or at least not enough to get past third place. Crisp will shine defensively in the spacious Petco but as far as run production in this lineup I don't see it. Hell, he only scored 85 and that was with the Red Sox!! Fukudome is predicted to hit .285/.380 with 15-20 HRs and 80-90 RBI. He has Cameron's power numbers covered with good on base skills. The lineup you posted isn't going to get third in the West which is likely to get a lot better than last year which is scary. Your line up doesn't address your main needs,

[padrefanforever]

I addresses our needs about as good as our needs can be addressed considering the money we have to spend and the holes we have to fill......

[love_that_reefer]

Well then the Padres are in deep shit! The Padres can afford to do a lot better. They only had a $59 mil payroll last year and you are going to $75 mil and Crisp and Fukudome is the best you can do? Again, the Padres are in deep shit if that's true.

[padrefanforever]

I think in one scenario I have Bay in LF, Rowand in CF and Giles in RF........but I don't deem that realistic, while the other is.........and deep shit might be where we are.........however I think you're underestimating the potential of that roster.......and since a couple are unproven, and since you just don't know what guys will do.......potential or guessing is all we have to work with..........

[love_that_reefer]

You call it under estimating, I call it being realistic. Padres need pop and don't have it on your proposed roster.

[padrefanforever]

The potential "pop" would come from existing players, not players added......

AGon - 30 HR's hopefully more
Kouz - 20-25 HR's hopefully more
KG - 25-30 HR's hopefully more

Then add....
Fukudome - 15-20 HR's hopefully more
Antonelli - 15? HR's hopefully, and maybe more who knows with this kid

Anyway even if those are high the thing that would change for the better with this roster is OBP, and plate discipline & fewer K's......in theory.....I doubt we'll be relying on the long ball next year anyhow, nor should any team in Petco be dependent on them...