Jake doesn't think he'll be a Padre in 2 years.

[HollywoodLeo]

Padres fans had every right to be pissed at the Klesko and Nevin moves. They weren't worth the money they were given even at the time the signed. Who is trying to have it both ways here?

Klesko and Nevin's resigning didn't make sense?

Hold up, I think the post is still linked at another forum.

[HollywoodLeo]

Ah yeah, here it is. I posted this in 2005 at a Padres forum amidst some usual whining.

Scenario: It's 1999 and you're the GM of a small market team getting set to move into a new stadium that you yet to know any ramifications of as to what type of park it'll play as. (pitcher's, hitter's, need-for-speed, etc) Also, you're under the impression that this stadium will be open for business in 2002.
You have just acquired Player A in a big trade with an east coast team.
Here's Player A's stats from 1994-1999

94: 17 HRs, 47 RBIs, .907 OPS
95: 23 HRs, 70 RBIs, 1.104 OPS
96: 34 HRs, 93 RBIs, .894 OPS
97: 24 HRs, 84 RBIs, .824 OPS
98: 18 HRs, 70 RBIs, .832 OPS
99: 21 HRs, 80 RBIs, .908 OPS

would you say it'd be a good idea to sign this guy long term? I'd say it'd be a good deal, so let's sign him through 2004

Fast foward to 2001 you're in the same situation as stated above, except you're seeing delays on stadium opening. No big deal, you can still put together a team in that timeframe. On your team you have a slugger, we'll call him player B. Here's his stats with your team from 1999-2001

1999: 24 HRs, 85 RBIs, .880 OPS
2000: 31 HRs, 107 RBIs, .916 OPS
2001: 41 HRs, 126 RBIs, .976 OPS

Call me an idiot, but this drastic year to year improvement tells me that I want this guy long term and he looks like just the guy to build my team around! We'll sign him till 2006

Fast forward one more year to 2002. Player A is still on the team and here's what he's accomplished since his last contract signing.

2000: 26 HRs, 92 RBIs, .909 OPS
2001: 30 HRs, 113 RBIs, .923 OPS
2002: on his way to 29 HRs, 95 RBIs, .925 OPS

Man, this guy's just not stopping, let's add two years to his contract, that way he's here when PetCo opens and we have our team together. (originally supposed to open 2002, now it's 2004)

Unfortunatley as fate would have it, after the contract signings Nevin would turn out to be injury prone, then Ryno would go down for 2003. Then when the stadium finally opens it would prove to be a spacious park not designed for mashers (don't take that as me insinuating HRs can't be hit there..) and Nevin and Klesko would let it get in their heads making it seem that much worse.

[MrPadre19]

Like I was saying.....it's real easy to look back AFTER a deal doesn't work out and say it shouldn't have been made..as Reefer is doing here.A G.M. doesn't have that luxury.Saying the Klesko/Nevin deals were dumb,and then saying give Peavy 5 yrs $100 million is trying to have it both ways.I'm not saying Peavy isn't worth it....and I hope we find a way.But if we don't I'll know why,and if we do and it doesn't work out.....I won't cry and blame the G.M. for putting the Team in a financial headlock.
If we could get the payroll to $100 mil than we could do it........but that aint gonna happen.

[love_that_reefer]

Hey Reefer....name 1 player, besides Khalil and Jake, who have come up through the Padres minor league system, who did jack s*** for this team over the last 2 seasons.

I'm curious as to why you're piling on the Padres, when the Giants have been out of the race for 2 months.

Piling on the Padres? I'm the only one who thinks the Padres can and should get Peavy signed to an extension! That's pretty ****ed up! The4 Giants have nothing to do with it unless you are talking about Sabean which you are not.

[HollywoodLeo]

Piling on the Padres? I'm the only one who thinks the Padres can and should get Peavy signed to an extension! That's pretty ****ed up! The4 Giants have nothing to do with it unless you are talking about Sabean which you are not.

You're the only one that thinks they should extend him?

Is that what you're seriously reading in this thread?

Put down the reefer, LTR

[love_that_reefer]

How is it having it both ways? I thought the Klesko deal was awful then and it's still awful looking back. The guy was turning into warning track power and it was just too much money. Peavy is reaching his prime and IS the franchise player once Hoffman leaves. You have to have someone to get the asses in the seats. No one is trying to have it both ways. There are bad and good investments. And you don't need a $100 mil payroll to get this done.

[HollywoodLeo]

He didn't turn into warning track power till after the extension was signed.

What Klesko were you watching in 2002?

[love_that_reefer]

You're the only one that thinks they should extend him?

Is that what you're seriously reading in this thread?

Put down the reefer, LTR

I am the only one who thinks they can. That's what YOU should have read from my thread.

[HollywoodLeo]

How is it having it both ways? I thought the Klesko deal was awful then and it's still awful looking back. The guy was turning into warning track power and it was just too much money. Peavy is reaching his prime and IS the franchise player once Hoffman leaves. You have to have someone to get the asses in the seats. No one is trying to have it both ways. There are bad and good investments. And you don't need a $100 mil payroll to get this done.

Do you think the Padres should sign him if he demands the 22+ mil per year he could most likely get elsewhere?

[HollywoodLeo]

I am the only one who thinks they can. That's what YOU should have read from my thread.

Not if he demands market value, they can't

[love_that_reefer]

He didn't turn into warning track power till after the extension was signed.

What Klesko were you watching in 2002?

The one who flew out to the warning track 60 times.

[love_that_reefer]

Not if he demands market value, they can't

I simply disagree.

[HollywoodLeo]

The one who flew out to the warning track 60 times.

I said 2002 not 2004

[HollywoodLeo]

Just for clarification

Fast forward one more year to 2002. Player A is still on the team and here's what he's accomplished since his last contract signing.

2000: 26 HRs, 92 RBIs, .909 OPS
2001: 30 HRs, 113 RBIs, .923 OPS
2002: on his way to 29 HRs, 95 RBIs, .925 OPS

That was referring to Klesko

[HollywoodLeo]

I simply disagree.

Even if market value for him would be 22+ mil per year?