Diamondbacks@Padres 4/18/2007-4/19/2007

[HollywoodLeo]

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Game 1: Wednesday, April 18th, 2007 7:05 pm PST


Brandon Webb (1-1 5.21 ERA) vs David Wells (0-1 7.00 ERA)

Game 2: Thursday, April 19th, 2007 12:35 pm PST


Livan Hernandez (1-0 1.80 ERA) vs Jake Peavy (2-0 0.90 ERA)

[padrefanforever]

Win Win.......

[JayDawg27]

Win - Win??? more like lose - win. Do you really think that David Wells can beat Brandon Webb?

[padrefanforever]

Yes I think Wells in Petco can be just as good as anyone........

Oh yah......opposing teams "aces" aren't our issue, we beat them regularly.....it's the 2-5 that cause this offense issues

[fetters]

Yes I think Wells in Petco can be just as good as anyone........

c'mon now...be real. this will probably be a split. you have overweight/overthehill-40-something going against an ace, and then a cy young ace going against overweight/overthehill 40 something.

Wells will lose and Peavy will win.

by your logic about wells in petco could also be said for the livan vs peavy matchup....but its unlikely.


P.S. Wells has a 3-7 career record at Petco park

[HollywoodLeo]

P.S. Wells has a 3-7 career record at Petco park

That has more to do with lack of run support.

Wells has been burned by that more than once, especially in 2004.

[padrefanforever]

Fetters....Wells has been known to pitch up to his competition.....I just think that might happen here in this case......Webb hasn't exactly blown teams away so far this year....so I don't see why this is that far fetched.....

[fetters]

Well, if he goes to 3-8...I wouldn't call this one a lack of run support considering he's going up against the reigning Cy Young winner. I'd call it being outpitched...which is usually the case in regards to wins/losses. I think the "lack of run support" argument has validity sometimes, but for the most part it's overdone.

[HollywoodLeo]

Well, if he goes to 3-8...I wouldn't call this one a lack of run support considering he's going up against the reigning Cy Young winner. I'd call it being outpitched...which is usually the case in regards to wins/losses. I think the "lack of run support" argument has validity sometimes, but for the most part it's overdone.

So, if David Wells pitches a 9 inning game giving up 1 run in the same game Brandon Webb throws a 9 inning shutout Wells had a bad game? (as indicated by the L he receives) but if he pitches that same 1 run game against Livan Hernandez who gives up 6 runs, Suddenly Wells had a good game? (As indicated by the W)?

[JayDawg27]

I just see it as an over the hiller, who had a horrible outing 5 days ago, going against the reigning CY Award winner on a team that usually plays pretty well in SD and is playing better ball than the Pads right now who seem to be struggling offensively, advantage D-Backs.

But I will say this, they could prove me wrong because there is a lot of truth to the fact that the Pads seem to do much better against Ace pitchers than they do against the 5th of the rotation types of guys. Can't really explain that one.

[padrefanforever]

Why not look at it as two struggling pitchers but one is at home, the other isn't ?

[HollywoodLeo]

That's generally true, but I think Webb has pretty much owned the Padres.

I could be wrong.

[JayDawg27]

because they arent the only two people playing the game. How can you boil it down to just two struggling pitchers and not look at the rest of the team and the fact that the Pads offense hasnt exactly exploded this season. Theres much more to it than just two struggling pitchers why I gave the D Backs the advantage tonight.

And you are wrong the Pads have owned Webb, especially with the way they crushed him in his last game last season, damn that was sweet. He's 3-5 with a 4 ERA against the Pads, AccuScore gives the advantage to the Pads. so we will see.

[HollywoodLeo]

Is Wells really struggling? He's had 1 bad game thus far. It just happens to be his last one.

[fetters]

So, if David Wells pitches a 9 inning game giving up 1 run in the same game Brandon Webb throws a 9 inning shutout Wells had a bad game? (as indicated by the L he receives) but if he pitches that same 1 run game against Livan Hernandez who gives up 6 runs, Suddenly Wells had a good game? (As indicated by the W)?

No...both scenarios are good games by David Wells, but in the first scenario I would call it being outpitched by a better pitcher. Being outpitched doesnt mean you had a bad game, it means that someone did better than you did.

Your example was a tad bit of an extreme case...because I dont know the last time david wells went 9 innings allowing 1 run...but in any case I see what you are getting at. The Poor run support defense can be said in certain individual games sometimes..but David Wells losing to Brandon Webb I would never blame on a lack of run support. Maybe if David wells lost a 2-1 game to someone like todays Jeff Weaver, then yes.

In the grand scheme of things, I think W/L are a valid stat and are not overrated...especially when looking at career numbers.