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    Mr. Rodriguez, Welcome To Your 15 Minutes of Not Being Totally Despised By New York

    If there is a town that is more fitting of the expression, “Yeah, that’s great. But what have you done for me lately?” than New York, I think we should be scared to travel there. New Yorkers and in particular, New York Yankee fans, demand a certain level of satisfaction and with those aforementioned Yankee fans that level is perfection. In many cities, I think that level of demand varies. In the Tampa Bay’s and Kansas City’s of the world, I think competing is the realistic hope they have. For teams like Anaheim or the south side of Chicago, I think the playoffs are expected and any thought beyond there is a bridge they hope to have the opportunity to cross. But with Yankee fans, getting to the World Series is not enough to warrant a pat on the back and a congratulatory ‘good job’, rings are demanded. This isn’t news that is to shatter anyone’s worldview. We all know George Steinbrenner gives the OK for the payroll that the Yankee have, not for what they do in the regular season but what is expected in the postseason. The regular season, to the Yankee fans I know at least, is viewed to be merely a lengthy roadblock they have to endure to their expected postseason appearance. It’s no surprise with this attitude that a player such Alex Rodriguez has become a pariah. In what other town could a player with a career batting average of .306 and 468 homers, all by the age of 31, could be perhaps the most loathed player on the team?

    Let’s settle one issue, Alex Rodriguez makes more money in a few at-bats than nearly anyone who is reading this article makes in a year. It is insane money. Does he deserve it? Not really. But does any star major league player truly deserve the amount of money they make when you consider the people who make the world go around (some professions, like the medical field, being very specialized and out of the reach of the common man) make so much less? And when you consider the Yankees payroll, his impact is even less. Had one of the low market teams took on Rodriguez’s contract, such as the Devil Rays who in past years had an entire payroll comparable to Rodriguez’s salary, I could understand a fan’s complaint regarding it. The Yankees are overpaid though, Igawa carrying a 46 million dollar contract certainly doesn’t look all that logical after seeing him in action on Saturday. So let’s just drop it and look at Rodriguez for what he is, which is simply a very talented hitter who makes enough money to fill cruise ships (its quite a sight when he goes all Scrooge McDuck and dives headfirst into his money pools.)

    But that’s usually not the heart of the issue with Yankee fans, rather its his ability to deliver in the clutch. For instance typing in Alex Rodriguez and Clutch on Google will net 260,000 results, Alex Rodriguez alone nets 2,690,000 results, so it’s clear that it is an topic that sparks ire more often than not from fans. Never mind the fact that he has hit 58 homeruns, 33 doubles, and hit for a .298 batting average with runners on, or still has extremely respectable albeit not as great numbers for runners in scoring position over the past three seasons; it’s not enough. His 2005 and 2006 playoff efforts have been dismal to say the least and he has taken the majority of the blame from the fans and the press alike. Many Yankees have failed and contributed to the losing effort. But due to that 250 million dollar plus contract, A-Rod is expected to carry the team when no one else can, except for Derek Jeter of course, whose playoff efforts usually can’t be scrutinized (besides its hard for Yankee fans to stay mad at The Captain.) Rodriguez hasn’t delivered, and no matter what efforts would have been needed to result in a win or not during the postseason, a pariah had to be found. Again, it doesn’t matter what he did during the regular season, at his contract and the general attitude of what title the Yankees are expected to hold, fans will ignore the efforts that got them to the postseason while only considering what was the failures there in the postseason that left them without a World Series title. If you gambled on both Rodriguez slugging 40 plus bombs and a 120 RBI’s and A-Rod at some point becoming public enemy number one during that effort, both bets have a good chance to pay out but bet number two would have a drastically lower payout given how safe of a bet it is. For fans to be livid with A-Rod after his 2005 campaign of hitting .321, 48 homers, and 130 RBI’s, it shows you what truly counts with New York press and media.

    I know it sounds like I have been tough on New Yorkers, and in many regards, I intended it that way. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a lot of truth in how they feel, expecting only the best from their club by setting their standards for nothing but the gold medal. They have traits a lot of fans should carry and whether the dream for those other fans is just a step beyond impossible or their team’s recent letdowns have destroyed the meaning of hope, its just more difficult for other fans to grasp how they feel outside of a few other upper echelon clubs. Its the way though that some of the more lower class fans have gone about voicing their displeasure with any postseason disappointment that disgusts me so much as a fan of the game. People like to talk about how great David Ortiz or Albert Pujols have been over a four year or so stretch, being the best in the game, in tones of amazement. Obviously, those are fantastic players, but their feats can’t hold a candle to Rodriguez’s until they can match the consistent performance he has had since the start of his career in 1996, with no one being able to match it. This is a man who has crushed so many records related to reaching certain hitting plateaus by a certain age and more importantly completely redefined the expectations we have for an elite shortstop.

    Rodriguez doesn’t lack clutch ability, he lacks support from where he needs it most, which is the fans (and somewhat related to the level of fan support is how much the press tells the fans to support him.) During the regular season, as I have shown with what he done over his three year Yankee career, he can hit when it counts. Let’s say for instance that the 2005 postseason effort that he hit .133 in was simply a bad series. Sure it isn’t clutch, but I am sure there have been days that you have gone into work on just an off day. Did it completely tarnish the value of your past work? Of course it did not. And assuming you didn’t royally screw over your company, your boss probably understood that it happens. No one player can be blamed for the loss an entire series, and if so its rare. A-Rod certainly didn’t help, but despite performing well in the 2004 postseason (3 homeruns, 5 doubles, 8 RBI’s and a batting average over .300) and following that with the mentioned 2005 MVP effort, all that went out the window once he bombed in the 2005 postseason. A-Rod says the criticisms and the boo’s do not bother him and before he has mentioned he even thrives off of them. But it’s clear that A-Rod is a sensitive guy and no one likes to feel like an entire stadium full of people hates you. This is made entirely clear if you happened to see the highlights from Saturday’s game of the Yankees versus the Orioles. The game is 7-6 in favor of the Orioles, bottom of the ninth at Yankee Stadium, and I think so many at the stadium knew that it would come down to Rodriguez, somehow, and many were probably fearing the worst. Bottom of the ninth, two out situations and Alex Rodriguez, does it sound familiar? If so, it happened just a couple of nights before that, only that time with less than favorable results. This time however, after the Robinson Cano single to center, the Derek Jeter walk and Bobby Abreu being hit by a pitch, Rodriguez hit the pitch from the hard throwing Orioles closer Chris Ray to dead center and gone. I think he smacked the word clutch to the moon. It was a blast at a time the Yankees need it. Sure it wasn’t October and World Series aspirations were not on the table, but Rodriguez saved the Yankees from getting off to an even more miserable start and from last place. This is only the 3rd time in Yankees history that a game ended with a Yankees win with a grand slam, and for a team with the kind of history they have simply in years, that’s pretty amazing to think about. You can’t get much more clutch than having the game’s outcome rest on your swing, with two outs, being behind in the count and having the bases loaded so the runners can only either advance towards home or literally back to home. As Rodriguez ran the bases, he looked like a kid, slap happy grin and the type of expression on his face where he looked like he didn’t even know if it really happened. The big crowd in New York went nuts, demanded a curtain call, and even if it’s just for a few minutes, Rodriguez seems to be once again universally loved in the big apple. If a smile could talk, Rodriguez would say that his performance and the reaction to it were what he was smiling about at the press conference announcing his trade from the Rangers to the Yankees.

    Rodriguez could be that player that the fans hope to see in October, but they have to give him a fair chance to do so. He is starting his season out with an incredible pace. For his first five games, he has gone deep four times, or more than he ever has in his first five games. In 21 AB’s, he has 8 hits and 7 of those have been of the extra base variety (3 doubles and 4 homers.) It’s a tear to put it simply. So my advice to Yankee fans is to just back off. He is still a guy in the prime of his career, with a skill set that nearly any rational player would kill for, and he can do it, he can help lead the Yankees to the promise land. The keyword there being help, you can’t put it all on Rodriguez’s shoulders. Bad series will happen in the playoffs, but remember this is a guy who has had success in the playoffs (even as a Yankee) and can hit like that again for when it “counts.” It takes someone with nerves of steel to overcome the odds, no matter what talent they have, to know a stadium full of people is waiting for you to fail. Why don’t you improve Rodriguez’s odds by cheering for a really good guy through thick and thin? With talent like that, it’s going to shine through more often than not. Let us not forget that the men that take the field for 162 games are human, they have feelings and some more than others depend on the support of the faithful, so give it Rodriguez and see if he can’t reverse his fortunes come October. Anyone, regardless of profession or amount of wealth, will perform better when they have support and I don't believe it is any different here.

    And let’s be completely honest about it, unless the Yankees make some substantial trades, or Roger Clemens and top prospect Phillip Hughes comes to rescue the talent depleted Yankee rotation, it’s going to take a lot more than the mighty bat of Alex to determine playoff success or not. Give Rodriguez the chance though to help anchor the offense and enjoy what makes being a Yankee superstar so great. And please New York media, do not persecute Rodriguez for not reaching his projected 129 homerun pace through 161 games, it’s just not feasible.

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    Re: Mr. Rodriguez, Welcome To Your 15 Minutes of Not Being Totally Despised By New Yo

    You know what I compare the NY Fans and AROD too. Kentucky fans to Tubby Smith. They keep peforming at a high level during the regular season and decide to have their worst times in the postseason.

    Before Alex Rodriguez got to NYY. Here were his postseason numbers in Seattle.

    1997- 5 for 16 (.313 BA), 2B, HR, RBI, 5 K
    2000- Hit .308 vs the White Sox, Turned around and hit .409/.480/.773 vs these very same damn Yankees.
    2004- Hit .421/.476./.737 vs Twins, Hit .258 with 2 HR and 5 RBIs vs Boston.

    Career Postseason Numbers DESPITE the last 2 seasons:
    .280 BA, .362 OBP, .485 SLG (6 HR, 16 RBIs in 132 ABs, which projects out to 22 HRs and 57 RBIs in the same number of ABs as Jeter)

    Jeters same numbers:
    .314 BA, .384 OBP, .479 SLG (17 HRs, 48 RBIs in 478 ABs)

    One gets glorified while the other gets ridiculed. Seattle would be happy to make him our DH or 3B any time you feel like it, Yanks fans.
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    I liked A-Rod a whole lot better when he was with Seattle. Now he is just stuck up. I can't stand the guy now. I would like to see A-Rod with another team and see how he stands up.

    Jeter is just a likeable guy no matter who you are. I have respect for Jeter for the skill that he has but he is a Yankee though.
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    That shit about money is shit.

    How much money does baseball generate? Take the percentage, and I guarentee you it's not far-fetched. A doctor with his own practice in NY can rake in $250,000 a year if he's in the 15th year or so and has a lot of patients. In total, his practice could make a couple of million. A Rod makes 27 million this year, the Yankees are going to make what, a few hundred million.
    250,000/2,500,000 for the doctor.
    27,000,000/270,000,000 for the Yankees.

    And the Yankees probably make more. So, percentage wise, that doctor is assraping compared to ARod, however, people merely see the bottom line and cannot fathom the revenue made by major league baseball.

    Time to keep reading, sorry, but that angered me.

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    Nice read mission...a few points.

    - I don't know if you meant Yankee games ending with a walkoff grand slam, but if you did it was only the 3rd (Ruth in 1925 and Giambi in 2002)
    - It is definitely unfair to blame A-Rod for letting the team down in the postseason when nobody else seems to hit. I personally am a fan of the guy but at the same time I can understand Yankee fan's frustrations with him. He will have stretches of a few big hits in games and then have maddening stretches of failing to produce night after night - but it won't just be the way he gets out. Many times we have seen A-Rod take a strike over the heart of the plate only to wildly flail at a pitch a foot out of the strike zone. I credit this partially to him trying to adopt the patient, take-pitches mode of the Yankees as opposed to Texas and Seattle, where he saw the first pitch he liked and crushed it. So far this season he seems to have his swing down pat though and looks primed for a great year. I honestly think admitting his relationship with Jeter was not great may help him a little and make him feel a little less pressured. But I'm feeling a huge 2007 for him.
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    Anyway, as far as the pariah outlook, please listen to ARod next time he talks to the media.

    The ****face with the purple lips keeps saying shit that deviates from generic Yankee policy, which is to be humble, respectful, and always play your ****ing heart out.

    The man is a conceited bastard, and rightly so. But it jades Yankee fans to see him running his mouth, deeming himself the Yankee messiah and basically kissing his own ass, only to **** up when we actually care.

    It's the problem, we want to see such a slimy piece of shit **** up, like Curt Schilling, but when he's on our team we're torn. And as far as giving him fan support, the ignorant Yankee fans boo at the start of the season. Until mid-May you never catch me booing anyone besides the ump or a shitty reliever who keeps ****ing up. Position players need to catch grooves, and until they do, there's no anger on my part.

    But, furthermore, judging players based on there April and saying he has shed the proverbial monkey, is the type of thing Michael Kay would do, and he's the biggest jackass of them all.

    Quit telling me how to watch the game, treat the players on my team (which is something Mish hit on). Michael Kay, John Sterling, Mike and the Mad Dog, and all you ****ers at ESPN, you goddamn glorified fans with microphones, you are the fattest leeches on the Earth.

    1. It's April.
    2. The Pitching is the worst in the past 12 years.
    3. The fielding is starting off slow.
    4. No one can seem to avoid the DL.

    We have more pressing issues than purple lip boy, so I could care less about how he's now coronated himself as Yankee god.

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    Re: Mr. Rodriguez, Welcome To Your 15 Minutes of Not Being Totally Despised By New Yo

    Quote Originally Posted by Dry1313 View Post
    That shit about money is shit.

    How much money does baseball generate? Take the percentage, and I guarentee you it's not far-fetched. A doctor with his own practice in NY can rake in $250,000 a year if he's in the 15th year or so and has a lot of patients. In total, his practice could make a couple of million. A Rod makes 27 million this year, the Yankees are going to make what, a few hundred million.
    250,000/2,500,000 for the doctor.
    27,000,000/270,000,000 for the Yankees.

    And the Yankees probably make more. So, percentage wise, that doctor is assraping compared to ARod, however, people merely see the bottom line and cannot fathom the revenue made by major league baseball.

    Time to keep reading, sorry, but that angered me.
    You're obviously missing the point I was making. Baseball is great, it generates a lot more revenue than it once did and thus they can afford to pay players like Rodriguez. HOWEVER, the point I was making was playing a game that is super fun and making way more than those who save lives is probably not the most just thing to happen. Of course there is logic to it, as you mentioned and as I already knew, but I was speaking purely from a point of justice. What a doctor (among the best in his field, like Rodriguez) gives to society versus what Alex Rodriguez gives to society is not even comparable in terms of the things you can't put a dollar figure on. Rodriguez gives joy, shared memories, an iconic figure for kids. A doctor makes it so those Yankees fans can even get to the ballpark in some cases and have those memories. It was just a small point to make, to consider, not something that is backed by numbers nor something that I am arguing for. Baseball players earn what they should considering the revenue they generate for their clubs. It's a business and if they didn't, they wouldn't earn what they did.

    When there are contracts as bad as Alfonso Soriano's, trust me, it's impossible to view the A-Rod contract in as bad of light. And like I was alluding to, if anyone can handle the A-Rod contract, ESPECIALLY after the 70 million or whatever Texas is paying, it's New York. All I was attempting to do was to mention, yeah he makes a lot of money, but let's drop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missionhockey21 View Post
    You're obviously missing the point I was making. Baseball is great, it generates a lot more revenue than it once did and thus they can afford to pay players like Rodriguez. HOWEVER, the point I was making was playing a game that is super fun and making way more than those who save lives is probably not the most just thing to happen. Of course there is logic to it, as you mentioned and as I already knew, but I was speaking purely from a point of justice. What a doctor (among the best in his field, like Rodriguez) gives to society versus what Alex Rodriguez gives to society is not even comparable in terms of the things you can't put a dollar figure on. Rodriguez gives joy, shared memories, an iconic figure for kids. A doctor makes it so those Yankees fans can even get to the ballpark in some cases and have those memories. It was just a small point to make, to consider, not something that is backed by numbers nor something that I am arguing for. Baseball players earn what they should considering the revenue they generate for their clubs. It's a business and if they didn't, they wouldn't earn what they did.

    When there are contracts as bad as Alfonso Soriano's, trust me, it's impossible to view the A-Rod contract in as bad of light. And like I was alluding to, if anyone can handle the A-Rod contract, ESPECIALLY after the 70 million or whatever Texas is paying, it's New York. All I was attempting to do was to mention, yeah he makes a lot of money, but let's drop it.
    Gotcha. I thought it was another: "Oh look at the Yankees aiding this indulgent lifestyle where the money belongs somewhere else" whinages.

    Rather, you were seeking to dismiss those arguments.

    I still stand by my statements.

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    Re: Mr. Rodriguez, Welcome To Your 15 Minutes of Not Being Totally Despised By New Yo

    Quote Originally Posted by browntown653 View Post
    Nice read mission...a few points.

    - I don't know if you meant Yankee games ending with a walkoff grand slam, but if you did it was only the 3rd (Ruth in 1925 and Giambi in 2002)
    I do believe you are correct. It was 2-3 AM last night so I guess I was proned to a typo. Thanks Brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantsFan83 View Post
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    Except you where wholly recalcitrant and ignorant in your views, unlike this article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry1313 View Post
    Except you where wholly recalcitrant and ignorant in your views, unlike this article.
    Nope, just being logical and realistic.


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    I think the fans give him way to much crap, i mean look at his numbers, hes a no-doubt Hall of Famer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry1313 View Post
    That shit about money is shit.

    How much money does baseball generate? Take the percentage, and I guarentee you it's not far-fetched. A doctor with his own practice in NY can rake in $250,000 a year if he's in the 15th year or so and has a lot of patients. In total, his practice could make a couple of million. A Rod makes 27 million this year, the Yankees are going to make what, a few hundred million.
    250,000/2,500,000 for the doctor.
    27,000,000/270,000,000 for the Yankees.

    And the Yankees probably make more. So, percentage wise, that doctor is assraping compared to ARod, however, people merely see the bottom line and cannot fathom the revenue made by major league baseball.

    Time to keep reading, sorry, but that angered me.
    Yeah, it kind of bugs me when people go on rants about how professional athletes are paid so much and teachers and doctors should make so much more. A-Rod makes millions because he is rare at what he can produce for his employer, I don't think this would be a pleasant place to live if teachers and doctors were that rare.

    I do think the crap A-Rod gets from Yankee fans is justified. He is one of the elite athletes in the world, and he chokes when it counts.

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    This is a good read mish. Well done.

    Here is my thing. I completely remember a few years ago when Griffey was awaiting his 500th HR. It was the biggest story on ESPN every night, it was the topic of conversation whenever baseball was brought up. The expectations were high and everyone wanted in on it.

    Now, ARod will be looking for his 500th this year and nobody has mentioned it anywhere. Where does this lack of respect come from? I truly believe if ARod were playing somewhere else, he would be known as the best player in the game right now.

    Yankee fans, I don't mean to mention your shortcomings because you get picked on too much as it is for rooting for the "Evil Empire." But those Yankee fans who feel like they need to hate ARod's production, need to quite being so spoiled. Your expectations on winning the a championship are unfair. As mission said, ARod helped get you there. These days, that cannt ever be just expected anymore. No matter what your payroll is.

    Now, if what Dry has been saying is true, then ARod comes off as a pompous idiot. I can understand hating the person, but do not hate the production. You are just showing your gracious owner disrespect. He is the one putting his money out there to put together such a great team. And you boo him?

    I don't know it is just my thought. I honestly think if more people knew about his arrogant attitude, they may have a bitter taste. That is ok, but you still have to respect the production. I cannot boo someone who puts up MVP numbers every year.

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