2052/53 FA compensation

[HollywoodLeo]

This is a preliminary list based on those not signed at the moment. Nothing here is official at the moment

MRs are no longer eligible, except for rare case by case FAs (like if Hoffman were a FA).

There's a new twist to this regarding older FAs. If your otherwise-eligible FA to be is about to turn 35 you must first show you're willing to extend him for at least 2 years beyond his 35th birthday (so til 37 at least) for a very reasonable amount to gain free agency compensation. This puts the decision on the GM whether or not the risk is worth it and whether or not he gets compensated.

The specifics on this twist may be tweaked for next offseason as I think about it some more, but for the time being if I see an honest effort made to sign the guy long term to a risky deal I'll allow it. (Gehrig and Oh are the only two in question here, though, I believe)

Type A


Type B
SP Jim Kaat (PHI)
SP Paul Trout (COL)
C Johnny Bench (CIN)

Type C
3B Ron Santo (BAL)
SS Andrew Spencer (ANA)
1B Johnny Mize (CIN)
CF Earl Averill (SFG)
1B Lou Gehrig (BAL)

[OrioleMagic]

Can I get a Type A, Sub AARP category for Lou Gehrig please?

[HollywoodLeo]

You're the biggest advocate against the 35 and older club, lol

I'm hesitant to keep Oh at Type A because he's 34 but he hasn't shown any signs of slowing down and is living up to his real life namesake with his performance.

[OrioleMagic]

Also, what is the criteria for Type A? If Oh is in there, Gehrig should be as Oh is older?!?!?! Also, Santo has a .384 OBP. Is it just OPS? Thanks!

[HollywoodLeo]

Gehrig is older. He turns 35 before the rollover. Oh turns 35 mid-season (granted early)

But this isn't official yet. Just a preliminary list of how things fell at first glance.

And yeah, OPS is in the criteria, not OBP.

[OrioleMagic]

Ok. I guess Cepeda his the minimum for Type B on the nose. Santo had a far better OBP, but just less than half the dingers.

[HollywoodLeo]

I might incorporate contract offers into this now that I think about it.

You were willing to give him 4 years so I'll make Gehrig a type B at least.

I'll come up with something more specific soon where you can get comp for an otherwise eligible 34/35 year old FA if you make a qualifying offer of some sort for multiple years showing you would have been willing to take the chance of him dying, but I may raise the statistical criteria a bit on that matter.

Either way, I'd say offering a to-be 35 yr old 15x4 plus him not slowing down warrants it, even if this decision makes me regret selling low on him, lol

[HollywoodLeo]

Ok. I guess Cepeda his the minimum for Type B on the nose. Santo had a far better OBP, but just less than half the dingers.

Santo was very close to type B. I'll likely make a very good 4.5 for him.

Cepeda was closer to type A than he was to falling off to type C, though.

[OrioleMagic]

I applaud your thought process as a commissioner on the issue.

Regarding the trade.... You feel you sold low; conversely, I feel that I gave too much but only because I only got one year out of him. The risk I took makes the trade only worth it to me if I win the WS. That is why getting at least some form of a prospect through FA compensation would lessen the pain of giving up my first round pick for one year of his performance.

[PhillyFan]

That's your decision for trading a first for him. You knew the age requirements for FA compensation. If Gehrig gets compensation why not every other player over the age of 33? That would just start problems.

[HollywoodLeo]

That's your decision for trading a first for him. You knew the age requirements for FA compensation. If Gehrig gets compensation why not every other player over the age of 33? That would just start problems.

Because not every other player over the age of 33 has the ratings and performance Gehrig has.

And, even so, I'm attaching qualifiers to it.

But this isn't final anyway. I really like the idea I just edited in but I want to give it some thought to iron out the details.

I just wanted to get an unofficial list posted right now so people can have a vague idea for their contract talks.

[OrioleMagic]

That's your decision for trading a first for him. You knew the age requirements for FA compensation. If Gehrig gets compensation why not every other player over the age of 33? That would just start problems.

I don't have any argument for this except that the below link says age 36.

Introducing free agency compensation

[HollywoodLeo]

I don't have any argument for this except that the below link says age 36.

Introducing free agency compensation

I should have edited that. In fact, there's a lot of stuff I need to edit in that.

I lowered the age criteria a year or two later.

[cjkalt]

A couple clarifications on how this is handled.


1. I'm going to start weighing the previous two seasons of statistics instead of just using this year's performance to make it a better indication of the player's recent playing ability.

2. if the player is borderline in age (34 or 35 ish) and has shown signs of dying (talent drops) he won't receive compensation since most GMs won't re-sign them under those circumstances anyway.

I don't have a problem with older players getting comp but I think changing the rules this late in the season is pretty B/S

[HollywoodLeo]

Actually, the more I think about it (and don't shoot me, OM, lol) it should probably be based less on what the GM offers and more off what the market offers.

In other words, if I receive long-term offers for Gehrig in free agency then he warrants it. If the market determines nobody wants to take that gamble in spite of his performance due to age then maybe not.

Or I can combine the two and decide on a minimum number of long term offers that are required and the extension offer can count as one of them?