This is why you have pitchers needing Tommy John

[redsfan28]

This is a prime example why pitchers are needing Tommy John like it's going out of style. There is absolutely NO excuse to have a kid throw 194 pitches in a game, NONE!!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...144503402.html

[HollywoodLeo]

Everyone needs Tommy John because a high school kid pitched 14 innings?

[redsfan28]

Its not about the innings. It's about throwing 194 pitches! Throwing this many pitches (or anywhere near it) this young in a person's life increases the risk of needing Tommy John or any other major reconstructive arm/shoulder surgery. This coach should lose his job for this. It's incomprehensible.

[HollywoodLeo]

Everyone needs Tommy John because a high school kid pitched 194 pitches?

[redsfan28]

I'll say it again, if you throw that hard, repetitively, this early in your life, it will dramatically increase your risk for Tommy John. Leo, do you honestly believe that the amount of pitching done early in a kid's life DOESN'T increase the likelihood that, if they continue to pitch in college, the minors, and maybe even the majors, they might need some sort of elbow/shoulder surgery like Tommy John?

[HollywoodLeo]

I get that, I'm just curious how this relates to why everyone else who has needed TJ surgery as of late needs it.

Perhaps if your thread title where "This is why Dylan Fosnacht may need Tommy John soon" I wouldn't be quite as confused.

[redsfan28]

I'm pointing to this as an example of the probable culprit of why so many MLBers are now needing Tommy John. It's a prime example of why most baseball experts think these kids need TJ surgery so early in their careers.

[HollywoodLeo]

So, the culprit of why so many MLBers are now needing Tommy John is because Dylan Fosnacht threw 194 pitches in a game recently?

[redsfan28]

NO, it's because THEY probably threw a high number of pitches when they were in high school. I was using this case as an EXAMPLE.

[HollywoodLeo]

But this case is just one example, and it's an example of a kid who's never had Tommy John surgery before so it's a very loose and speculative example.

Now, if I were to speculate I'd guess you're probably right, but this is not how you draw conclusions because you're proving two things here: jack and shit.

If you want to draw a real connection look at the high school pitch counts (assuming they're available) of guys like Jose Fernandez and Josh Johnson....you know, guys who have actually needed the surgery now.

[Mach]

I'm thoroughly amused by the discussion.

[Providence A's]

Kid said he won't even be playing in college; never mind the pros. It's situational and in this situation, who cares?

[Lynch]

fucking kids need to toughen up.


Rub some dirt on it and get back in there!