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    The Rating Game

    FIVE BEST ALL-AROUND PLAYER

    1. Miguel Tejada, Orioles

    The new Iron Man also plays shortstop for Baltimore (hasn't missed a game in four years, has played most in MLB over the last six). Oh yeah, he also had 150 RBIs last year, second-most ever in a season by a shortstop.

    2. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees

    Had an off year in a new town and new position, but still combines more skills than any player (except for good PR).

    3. Vladimir Guerrero, Angels

    Proved last year he is a great player who can carry a team to the playoffs.

    4. Albert Pujols, Cardinals

    One-dimensional , but building a case as one of the great righty hitters ever at age 24.

    5. Carlos Beltran, Mets

    Normally Barry Bonds makes this list, but his clouded future removes him as the five-tool Beltran gets the nod over Bobby Abreu, Adrian Beltre, Jim Edmonds, Todd Helton, Scott Rolen and Ichiro Suzuki.


    FIVE BEST MANAGERS

    1. Bobby Cox, Braves

    Defines roles expertly, supports his players staunchly and understands how to manage the long season adroitly.

    2. Mike Scioscia, Angels

    Can play speed or power, and works a bullpen superbly.

    3. Joe Torre, Yankees

    Beat up some for October strategy, but his job is bringing calm to the Yankee storm, and he is superb at that.

    4. Buck Showalter, Rangers

    Has many detractors, but even they would agree he is thorough and hard working and has a honed baseball IQ.

    5. Tony LaRussa, Cardinals

    Much like Showalter, a love-him-or-hate-him guy who wins enough to edge out Ron Gardenhire and Lou Piniella. Keep an eye on Cleveland's Eric Wedge ("a disciplinarian who knows how to communicate," an NL scout says).


    FIVE WORST MANAGERS

    1. Bob Melvin, Diamondbacks

    Seemed overmatched in Seattle, yet instantly got a second chance. "I guess they didn't see any Mariner games," an advance scout said of Arizona.

    2. Ozzie Guillen, White Sox

    Flighty, mouthy and espouses a go-go style that is more 1959 than 2005.

    3. Lee Mazzilli, Orioles

    On the brink of being canned last year. The Torre magic did not rub off.

    4. Charlie Manuel, Phillies

    His players will like the calm transition from the irrational Larry Bowa, but he did not project leadership when in Cleveland.

    5. Alan Trammell, Tigers

    A nice guy who, scouts say, is too often overmatched. Keep an eye on the Cubs' Dusty Baker, who is on the hot seat because his strategy and skin have both been thin in Chicago.


    FIVE BEST TEAMS

    1. Red Sox

    Last won consecutive titles in 1915-16. What Curse?

    2. Yankees

    For $200 million, they have little depth, so they become susceptible with injuries.

    3. Braves

    Tim Hudson and John Smoltz give them a 1-2 that - if healthy - makes them formidable in October, as well.

    4. Angels

    Do their rotation have enough to win it all?

    5. Twins

    The left side of their infield is troublesome, but they have enough pitching to outpoll the Marlins, Phillies, Cardinals and Cubs.


    FIVE WORST TEAMS

    1. Rockies

    Todd Helton and pray for rain.

    2. Royals

    Aside from Zach Greinke, even their youngsters are more Grade-B hopefuls.

    3. Pirates

    Oliver Perez and Jason Bay are promising, but this has been a clueless organization for a long time.

    4. Devil Rays

    Too many games vs. Red Sox and Yankees for so much inexperienced pitching.

    5. Brewers

    At least it is not the Selig family's fault any more.


    FIVE BEST STARTING PITCHERS

    1. Johan Santana, Twins

    A left-handed, prime-aged Pedro Martinez.

    2. Curt Schilling, Red Sox

    Easy to dislike, especially if you have to hit off him. How much will his ankle surgery mar his season?

    3. Randy Johnson, Yankees

    Let's see how he handles changing leagues and magnitude of coverage.

    4. Jason Schmidt, Giants

    The only question with him is health.

    5. Tim Hudson, Braves

    Through his age-28 season, Hudson has a .702 winning percentage - only Whitey Ford had better (.734). Also getting strong consideration: Pedro Martinez and Ben Sheets.


    FIVE BEST CLOSERS

    1 Mariano Rivera, Yankees

    Faltered last October, but had one of his best seasons. Needs to be used less during the year. What is up with that elbow?

    2 Brad Lidge, Astros

    An October revelation. His 157 strikeouts would have led the Mets.

    3. Eric Gagne, Dodgers

    Last three years: 145 hits, 247 innings.

    4. Keith Foulke, Red Sox

    Proven in October now.

    5. Joe Nathan, Twins

    Filthy stuff.


    FIVE MOST OVERRATED

    1. Eric Milton, Reds

    Only three times had a pitcher ever allowed as many homers (43) with as high an ERA (4.75) as he had last year, yet he got a three-year contract.

    2. Russ Ortiz, Diamondbacks

    ERA and HRs allowed have increased three straight years, yet received a four-year contract.

    3. Cristian Guzman, Nationals

    Sixth-worst OBP among active players (.303), yet received a four-year contract.

    4. David Eckstein, Cardinals

    Had the AL's worst OPS - 22 points worse than Guzman - yet received a three-year contract.

    5. Danny Graves, Reds

    A creation of the save rule. He actually allowed four more homers (12) than Tim Hudson last year.


    FIVE MOST UNDERRATED

    1. Bobby Abreu, Phillies

    Aside from members of the Bonds family, no other player in MLB history has more straight 20 homer-20 steal seasons than the six Abreu is working with right now.

    2. Scot Shields, Angels

    Anaheim's swingman has the majors' fourth-best ERA (2.91) behind Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez and Johan Santana (minimum 300 IP) over the last three years.

    3. Melvin Mora, Orioles

    Also made a transition to third base last year, and had a better BA, OBP and SLG than A-Rod.

    4. Jake Peavy, Padres

    You knew he led the NL in ERA last year by more than a quarter of a run over Randy Johnson, right?

    5. Carlos Lee, Brewers

    Has hit at least 24 homers in each of the last five seasons. http://www.nypost.com/sports/43772.htm

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    I don't know about some of his predictions but I thought most of them matched up with mine but I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckFoston
    2. Ozzie Guillen, White Sox

    Flighty, mouthy and espouses a go-go style that is more 1959 than 2005.

    3. Lee Mazzilli, Orioles

    On the brink of being canned last year. The Torre magic did not rub off.

    4. Charlie Manuel, Phillies

    His players will like the calm transition from the irrational Larry Bowa, but he did not project leadership when in Cleveland.

    5. Alan Trammell, Tigers

    A nice guy who, scouts say, is too often overmatched. Keep an eye on the Cubs' Dusty Baker, who is on the hot seat because his strategy and skin have both been thin in Chicago.
    Have to disagree on all these. Guillen and Mazzilli are very good managers. Guillen is impressive. Mazzilli really never had a great team to work with. Manuel just to Philadelphia, give him a chance. Trammell is a good manager, but does make mistakes. I don't think he's that bad of a manager.

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    I'll take Vlad and/or Pujols over Tejada and A-rod.
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    BuckFoston: Are you serious about Guillen? I thought he was outmanaged by Gardenhire whenever the Twins played the White Sox last year. The team quit in the final two months of the year. There were many times last where I thought he was way over his head. His whining about Gardenhire and Showalter last year was not only pathetic, but sad. He had no clue with the pitchers and he alienated Carlos Lee and Maggilio Ordonez, two of the White Sox run producers. Oh and I thought Ozzie looked like a complete hypocrite when he ripped Magglio Ordonez for whining about his contract and ripping the White Sox on his way out considering he did the exact same thing as a player.

    BTW, Joel Sherman is dead on with this list. I can't disagree with everything. He is probably the best baseball writer of all the NY papers. I like the fact he does his homework on every team which is something most writers here don't do. Sherman and Bill Madden are my favorite writers in the NY papers.

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    guillen is seriously a bad manager.

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    FIVE BEST ALL-AROUND PLAYER

    1. Scott Rolen
    2. Alex Rodriguez
    3. Miguel Tejada
    4. Vladimir Guerrero
    5. Albert Pujols

    FIVE BEST TEAMS

    1. Yankees
    2. Cardinals
    3. Red Sox
    4. Marlins
    5. Angels

    FIVE WORST TEAMS

    1. Royals
    2. Rockies
    3. Diamond Backs
    4. Devil Rays
    5. Pirates

    FIVE BEST STARTING PITCHERS

    1. Johan Santana
    2. Randy Johnson
    3. Ben Sheets
    4. Jason Schmidt
    5. Curt Schilling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steak
    BuckFoston: Are you serious about Guillen? I thought he was outmanaged by Gardenhire whenever the Twins played the White Sox last year. The team quit in the final two months of the year. There were many times last where I thought he was way over his head. His whining about Gardenhire and Showalter last year was not only pathetic, but sad. He had no clue with the pitchers and he alienated Carlos Lee and Maggilio Ordonez, two of the White Sox run producers. Oh and I thought Ozzie looked like a complete hypocrite when he ripped Magglio Ordonez for whining about his contract and ripping the White Sox on his way out considering he did the exact same thing as a player.

    BTW, Joel Sherman is dead on with this list. I can't disagree with everything. He is probably the best baseball writer of all the NY papers. I like the fact he does his homework on every team which is something most writers here don't do. Sherman and Bill Madden are my favorite writers in the NY papers.
    Think you meant to say GoYankees.

    Maybe I haven't seen all of the White Sox games, but I've seen documentaries and interviews on/with Guillen, and he seems like he's made the White Sox better. I don't call myself this baseball guru, but it's my opinion that he is a great manager. Maybe I'm wrong, but my opinions are just what they are opinions.

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    Scott Rolen number 1? Cardinals better than the sux? I am not sure about those two.

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    You guys will get a kick out of mine. But I am serious

    FIVE BEST ALL-AROUND PLAYER

    1. Vladimir Guerrero
    2. Alex Rodriguez
    3. Ichiro Suzuki
    4. Scott Rolen
    5. Jim Edmonds

    FIVE BEST TEAMS

    1. Yankees
    2. Red Sox
    3. Cardinals
    4. Marlins
    5. Cubs

    FIVE WORST TEAMS

    1. Royals
    2. Diamond Backs
    3. Rockies
    4. Blue Jays
    5. Pirates

    FIVE BEST STARTING PITCHERS

    1. Johan Santana
    2. Curt Schilling
    3. Mark Prior
    4. Andy Pettitte
    5. Jason Schmidt

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    pettite is sketchy...

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    Miguel Tejada? Just because of RBI's huh. Thats pretty sad. Did you do all this or is it an article.

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    Sorry BuckFoston. I meant GoYankees.

    GoYankees: Just because someone talks a good game does not mean he is a good manager. Greg Schiano, Rutgers football coach, always talks a good game all the time, but he stinks as a football coach. That's what Ozzie Guillen is. Obviously, rockin agree that he is a lousy manager.

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