HOF: Ripken, Gwynn in; McGwire, Canseco out.

[A'sDiehard]

Do Greenies count as cheating?

I'd have to try one before I could answer that.

[nyjunc]

6 votes for Canseco, that's less than Albert Belle.

Canseco was a much better player than Mark Mcgwire.


I love Cal and all but how does he get more votes than Gwynn? Gwynn was a MUCH better player than Cal.

[GiantsFanatic]

Canseco was a much better player than Mark Mcgwire.


I love Cal and all but how does he get more votes than Gwynn? Gwynn was a MUCH better player than Cal.

No wonder why you were nominated for the troll and homer of the year awards on the nfl forums.

[Molina00]

I understand why. Trevor hasn't retired yet.

Explain how Sutter got in then. Smith only played 6 more seasons with 178 more career saves then him.

[HollywoodLeo]

Explain how Sutter got in then. Smith only played 6 more seasons with 178 more career saves then him.

I was just being an ass because you refered to him as all-time saves leader, which he no longer is.

Lee Smith needs to be in.

[DirtyKash]

We know that both Canseco and McGwire were roided up to the max. Given that, I'd take Canseco at his peak over McGwire at his peak, also. Canseco was a lot closer to a five-tool complete player than McGwire, the one-dimensional slugger who, really, only hit HRs. Remember, Canseco was a scary threat on the basepaths, one of the few 40/40 guys ever.

[love_that_reefer]

Both Canseco's and McGwire's peaks didn't last long. Injuries held both guys back from truly reaching thier pinnacle.

[GiantsFanatic]

We know that both Canseco and McGwire were roided up to the max. Given that, I'd take Canseco at his peak over McGwire at his peak, also. Canseco was a lot closer to a five-tool complete player than McGwire, the one-dimensional slugger who, really, only hit HRs. Remember, Canseco was a scary threat on the basepaths, one of the few 40/40 guys ever.

Only Conseco admitted using roids, and Conseco's not a credible of a source, in his book he accused Sosa, McGwire, and Bonds who all have not failed a roid test.

Anyways Conseco was not a threat as a person who would SB, he had one year with 40 SB, and 2 other years with 20+ SB, 4 other years with 10+ SB.
And I also believe McGwire did win a gold glove.

[A'sDiehard]

Sosa, McGwire, and Bonds who all have not failed a roid test.

How do you know that? Do you have specific info or a link?

[BoSox34]

As far as we know Bonds, McGwire and Sosa haven't been issued sterioid tests and if they had, it may have been well after the suspected use which would still allow them to come out clear. The only way we will ever know if any of those actually used steroids is if they admit to doing so. So far Canseco has been right about Palmeiro..

[DirtyKash]

I've driven drunk before, but it doesn't mean that I've ever been charged with DUI.

[BoSox34]

I've driven drunk before, but it doesn't mean that I've ever been charged with DUI.

Right but you admitted to that regardless if you were punished my law enforcement. None of them have admitted to using it therefore there is no proof to condemn them regardless of opinion.

[GiantsFanatic]

How do you know that? Do you have specific info or a link?

And how do you know they have? If there was a possitive steriod test on them, it would have been out by now.

[love_that_reefer]

Bonds has been tested for steroids and that we know for sure and so far nothing positive for steroids. Now according to reports, Bonds tested positive for amphetamines last season. This is another leaked story with no way of knowing if its true unless mre sitcomes to light b ut this could explain Bonds' surge in the second half.

[nyjunc]

6 votes for Canseco, that's less than Albert Belle.

I think canseco was a MUCH better player than McGwire.

I love cal and all but how in the heck does he get more votes than Gwynn when Gwynn was a MUCH better player?