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    Re: Pro football hall of fame class of 2015

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    You don't think 32,000 yards 200 td career 93.7 qb rating isn't good enough?

    Jim Kelly had 35,000 yards and 237 TDs in 10 seasons. Similar numbers but Warner won a superbowl.


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    Because those 2 played in a more difficult period for offence. That Warner was part of a team that won a SB doesn't matter to me.


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    Why don't they matter? It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Stats.
    Because I don't think personal stories matter? Fame doesn't have to mean just stats or include personal stories.


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    Re: Pro football hall of fame class of 2015

    Kurt Warner isn't Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson riding a powerful run game and debilitating defense to a ring. The Rams won the SB and the Cardinals came damn close to winning one primarially because of Kurt Warner's passing.

    I'm not saying that alone should make him a Hall of Famer, but it sure as hell should count in the decision.
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    Re: Pro football hall of fame class of 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Because I don't think personal stories matter? Fame doesn't have to mean just stats or include personal stories.
    I was just responding to the assertion that non statistical considerations don't matter.
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    Re: Pro football hall of fame class of 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    Kurt Warner isn't Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson riding a powerful run game and debilitating defense to a ring. The Rams won the SB and the Cardinals came damn close to winning one primarially because of Kurt Warner's passing.

    I'm not saying that alone should make him a Hall of Famer, but it sure as hell should count in the decision.
    Completely agree. You could argue you can plug anyone in that offense and they COULD be great. But only Warner was able to win a superbowl with that team.

    Warner was a big player in leading those teams. He definitely did not ride anyone's coat tails.


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    Well I'm not sure if you want to count his time in the AFL and NFL Europe because he had been playing "pro" football since 1994. It's like counting CFL stats for Warren Moon or Doug Flutie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    Kurt Warner isn't Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson riding a powerful run game and debilitating defense to a ring. The Rams won the SB and the Cardinals came damn close to winning one primarially because of Kurt Warner's passing.

    I'm not saying that alone should make him a Hall of Famer, but it sure as hell should count in the decision.
    I never said he was a Dilfer or a Johnson, I just said team accomplishments don't matter to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    I was just responding to the assertion that non statistical considerations don't matter.
    and I was just answering the question?


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    Re: Pro football hall of fame class of 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    and I was just answering the question?
    In other words, I wasn't saying Kurt Warner bagging groceries is what should get him into the HOF
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    Re: Pro football hall of fame class of 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I never said he was a Dilfer or a Johnson, I just said team accomplishments don't matter to me.
    I didn't say you did, I was just pointing out why his team accomplishments mean more to his resume than that of Dilfer or Brad Johnson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    In other words, I wasn't saying Kurt Warner bagging groceries is what should get him into the HOF
    I didn't think you were?


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    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    I didn't say you did, I was just pointing out why his team accomplishments mean more to his resume than that of Dilfer or Brad Johnson.
    sure, but he also had a shit ton of weapons around him (at least 2 HOF players, with a couple more on the borderline) with an offencive mastermind as HC. And then you get into how much of it was him, how much was everything else, etc etc. Teasing apart team accomplishments becomes very tricky so it doesn't get much weight in these cases for me.


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    Priest Holmes is a HOFer.

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