Brandon Phillips hates the Cardinals.

[HollywoodLeo]

Yes I know how to fight like a man and no, kicking isn't involved.

No I was not and neither was Cueto. Cueto was being pinned by his own guys. Look closely, Nix is pinning him with his arm in his chest. Again, nothing justifies a man kicking people in the back and face with spikes on. Nothing.

Nobody's trying to justify anything here.

I'm just saying it's easy to call him a pussy from your computer desk when you weren't in the middle of the action getting pinned up against the net by a mob.

[Slyder]

You say that my scenarios are jokes?

How is it any less real than a guy breaking his ankle jumping onto home after a walk off HR?
How is it any less real than a guy blowing out his knee going after an umpire who likely instigated it?
How is it any less real than a guy blowing out his knee kicking a fg?

If Cueto didnt catch the net he could have very easily been at the bottom of that pile. And the ballparks that I have seen those nets are never tight people stick hands through all the time until an usher makes em stop.


YouTube - Reds Cards Brawl

:45 in as the Managers are yacking you see Cueto being the good teammate at the back of the pack.
1:07ish something happens off screen
1:03 Both Baker and the umpire turn respond to something Crissy said.
1:12 Cueto's trying to stay out of the pile.
1:15 the mob sweeps Cueto among others against the net with about 30 people around them. The only one I see beign swept into the net and completely off his feet could be Franklin.

Cueto got swept up in the 2nd phase and would have been 2-3 rows up in the diamond seats if not for the net and Im not exaggerating he had very little reaction time.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Doesnt show Phase 2.
31 seconds in shows Dusty moving toward the dugout getting the Reds back.

What I cant find is what causes Dusty and LaRussa going.
What does Crissy say to spark Phase 2
Who grabbed Crissy after that and started the scrum.
Rolen was actually playing peacemaker throughout.

I feel bad that LaRue got hit with one of those kicks, Cueto panicked. He will be suspended but without Crissy the rest of that doesnt happen.

Feel free to post a video with another angle. From those two how could Cueto have done anything against the net in terms of punching. He had no where to go, he had absolutely no leverage from the waist up. If not for the net his moment would have taken him 2-3 rows up in the diamond seats because the mob swept him into the net with no reaction time.

[love_that_reefer]

Without Phillips, none of this happens. You're laying the blame on the wrong person. And Rolen was not playing peace maker when charging Carpenter which lead to Cueto getting pinned along with other players. at 1:11 of that first video you can clearly see Cueto separated from from the Cards and being pinned by his own teammates, Nix in particular.

[love_that_reefer]

Nobody's trying to justify anything here.

I'm just saying it's easy to call him a pussy from your computer desk when you weren't in the middle of the action getting pinned up against the net by a mob.

It is easy to call him a pussy because he sure kicked like one. A mob of his own players is not that scary. Neither is a net. I've been in a lot scarier situations and never came to kicking.

[Slyder]

Without Phillips, none of this happens. You're laying the blame on the wrong person. And Rolen was not playing peace maker when charging Carpenter which lead to Cueto getting pinned along with other players. at 1:11 of that first video you can clearly see Cueto separated from from the Cards and being pinned by his own teammates, Nix in particular.

Just to remind you
If Im the MLB penalty scale....

Phillips
Molina
Carpenter=Cueto Determinant upon what Carpenter said to encite the 2nd scrum.
LaRussa=Baker
Then whatever they see from LaRue, Rolen, and the cast of dozens they dont like.

Rolen was talking with Molina at the start.
It was Rolen who drug Crissy out of there...~1:50.

[redsfan28]

If you're going to kick someone, kick them in the balls. Nobody wears cups anymore, just ask Carl Crawford.

[love_that_reefer]

If I'm MLB, Cueto is the only who should get suspended from this incident because he's the only one that used actual violence.

[love_that_reefer]

Cueto got suspended 7 games, LaRussa and Baker got two games and Carp, Phillips, Molina and Springer were each fined. This seems about right.

[Porter]

I agree with the suspensions too.

[Slyder]

Still believe that when you escalate you should get more for the stuff that happens afterwards.

Cueto=about right. I wouldn't appeal I'd just take it and take the extra couple days of rest. Be ready for September. We arent going anywhere without him.

Whatever Phillips got Molina was going to get. Regardless.
Carpenter should have "missed" a couple games for escalating Phase 2 that put Cueto in the position that he panicked. Depending on what he said. The only things I have heard are 100% rumor.

*Edit reworded*

[love_that_reefer]

Congrats to the pussy, you ended Jason LaRue's career

[missionhockey21]

He barely has 300 AB's altogether over the last three seasons and is 36. Maybe it didn't help, but I think the common fan outside of the NL Central wouldn't even know if Jason LaRue is still playing.

And I am not saying that due to this rivalry, or to justify anything, because I always liked LaRue... I just think the reason is a little silly

[love_that_reefer]

The man has post concussion syndrome. It ended Mike Matheny's career. Nothing silly about having to end your career because you got kicked in the head by a wimpy pitcher.

[HollywoodLeo]

I suppose Cueto should have risked having his career ended by an unruly mob by not fighting back.

[love_that_reefer]

Not this horseshit again I'm sure his own players weren't going to hurt him. You know, the one that were actually pushing him in the net. How anyone can defend this pussy is beyond me.