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San Francisco GiantsSounds good to me man, you have the idea down pat. Of course the names are not the same, but I would do this deal for sure.
Now, is this Krivsky's thinking? Can there possibility be anything else he would be thinking?
Sounds good to me man, you have the idea down pat. Of course the names are not the same, but I would do this deal for sure.
Now, is this Krivsky's thinking? Can there possibility be anything else he would be thinking?
I know you don't have Rios or Bailey at the same time. But you are trading Bailey for Rios. Then you are trading Rios along with Hamilton and Cueto. The Reds would be losing Bailey, Rios, Hamilton and Cueto for Bedard. Why would the Reds trade a top prospect for Rios just to then trading him with two other guys for just one player? It doesn't make much sense. Reds would be losing four quality guys for Bedard.
No not at all, because essentially you never really had Rios. What you have to look at is what we would be losing from what we have today. We don't have Rios, what we have is an opportunity to turn Bailey, Votto and whatever into a deal for Bedard. Rios is simply an extension of Bailey, a bridge to gap the original deal to the O's.Originally Posted by love_that_reefer
When and how the Reds add to their five World Championships, nine pennants and nine division titles seems less important than the franchises' lineage, which traces a line back to the dawn of the professional game and their role as keeper of the historic flame they lit by birthing the Red Stockings in 1869.
I think his thinking is to get an impact arm, and in doing so give up as little as possible. He understands what he has, and what he has, given time would be plenty. The problem is that ownership has determined for many reasons that now is the time. Certainly only he knows what he is thinking for sure, but his logic is pretty simple.
#1 - Don't Trade Bruce: His potential is enormous, and he is also a quality individual. He is the face of a franchise in training and at 20 yrs. old he is ready for the bigs, offensively, defensively and has a fairly young core around him. He's a young Josh Hamilton w/o all the baggage & question marks, how much is that worth? He's a Ryan Braun type of slugger w/o the defensive shortcomings and from the left side of the plate which is always a bonus. The only thing better would be if he were a SS or if he projected to stay in CF at an elite level, however he does project to be an elite RF.
#2 - Be competitive/win now. Fortunately the division we play in would allow us the shot at making the playoffs given the proper circumstances. If we add 1-2 arms in the rotation, preferably a dominant #1 type (see Bedard, Haren, Santana) we get really close to that. However Harang is better than alot of people know and he is a mid level #1 Starter in the NL (probably a clear #2 in the AL) so we can get by if we can add at least a #2 (Arroyo is more of a #3 in the NL) and someone who is a solid option for #4 or #5 (Belisle can be a good #4 and an excellent #5).
Sure he has alot of young options Bailey, Cueto, Matt Maloney perhaps even Carlos Fisher but we all know how inconsistent young pitcher's are and that they usually don't eat up alot of innings at least w/o having problems down the road. So the smart thing to do (even though it won't be received well) is to find a couple of guys who can eat up some innnings at the back end of the rotation, if you cannot trade for the guys that you want. So who is out there, worth having? Ughh, well if you wanna compete now & in the long term you can't afford to sign the better guys on the market Silva, Kuroda and Lohse (I never thought I would be saying that), especially paying more money for the back end of your rotation than for the front end. And if you cannot trade for them your options are limited to guys who are far less than ideal.
The best options out there IMO that might be respectable pitchers in those spots are Jon Leiber (injury Prone), Kris Benson (coming off a major injury), Steve Trachsel (the human rain delay), and maybe a Tomo Ohka. Or maybe the lesser known Japanese pitcher's Kawakami or Saito (don't know much about them).
Have fun with that.
When and how the Reds add to their five World Championships, nine pennants and nine division titles seems less important than the franchises' lineage, which traces a line back to the dawn of the professional game and their role as keeper of the historic flame they lit by birthing the Red Stockings in 1869.
But essentially you are losing all these guy for just one pitcher. It's not smart.
Reds lose Bailey in the deal for Rios
Reds would then lose Hamilton and Cueto along with Rios in a deal for Bedard.
Reds essentially lose Rios, Bailey, Hamilton and Cueto all for Bedard, the same Bedard who hasn't logged 200 IP ever. It makes the Jays trade quite pointless and it hurts the future of the Reds. You are making a good trade in getting Rios but then just trading him away again negating the good trade you just made.
How about expanding the deal to Dunn, Gonzalez, two prospects not in the Fab 4 for Rios and A.J. Burnett?
Dunn and Gonzalez and two minor leagues wouldn't be even close to a deal. Dunn will be a free agent after next season so he could be a one year guy and Gonzalez isn't great. Jays would have to get someone to replace Burnett.
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