Adam Dunn For Andrew Jones?

[CincyRedsFan30]

Let's just say Jones and Dunn are equal as far as hitting goes...Jones is faster, better defensively, and plays CF. Dunn almost had 200 k's last year and has over 100 already. K's are wasted outs because you most likely won't advance runners, knock in runners, or anything. And Dunn is only 2 years younger; I'd take Jones if I had a choice between the 2 of them.

Dunn has been a better hitter over his career, and has played for three fewer years. Strikeouts are just another out. The Reds lead the NL in Strikeouts and Runs Scored. Adam Dunn puts up a lot of Strikeouts and helps lead to a lot of those Runs as well.

[ATLien]

.. yet they are still a terrible team.

[CincyRedsFan30]

.. yet they are still a terrible team.

More issue deflecting.

I never argued that we are not terrible these days(despite being near the top in World Championships), but that has nothing to do with Dunn's offense. As I said, the Reds lead the NL in Runs Scored. Dunn doesn't pitch, and the Reds pitching staff has been one of the worst in MLB History this year.

[Providence A's]

he would create more runs if he k'd less.

And Jones has been a better defender in his career. If I had to choose, I'd take Jones. That's my opinion whether you like it or not and you won't change my mind on that because I think a CF that is an above average hitter with some power and great defense is more valuable to a team than Dunn. That's just my opinion and I never said Dunn sucked or anything. If Jones wasn't a CF and sucked on defense, then I'd take Dunn.

[Sea Ray]

No. And I saw your argument on that other location. The individuals you were arguing with are among those who have done EXTENSIVE research about how Runs score and how good Dunn is at doing those things that lead to Runs being scored. They have had their analysis published in several of the more well known baseball books.

My point has nothing to do with stats CRF. My point was that Braves fans would in no way consider trading Jones for Dunn.

So after reading 4 pages of comments what do you think of my prediction?

[Sea Ray]

.. yet they are still a terrible team.

No question, but what's your point?

[Sea Ray]

No. And I saw your argument on that other location. The individuals you were arguing with are among those who have done EXTENSIVE research about how Runs score and how good Dunn is at doing those things that lead to Runs being scored. They have had their analysis published in several of the more well known baseball books.

I'm not going to repeat what they say about statistics, geeks and liars but I will say this, if stats ran baseball teams Bill James would be a GM and not an "advisor".

You're using stats to say that Dunn is better than Jones but when you get too caught up in stats you forget what Jones looks like as he roams CF, how he sprints around the bases and other intangibles. Those that watch Andrew Jones everyday want not part with him for Adam Dunn.

[ATLien]

No question, but what's your point?

Point is, if Dunn is truly a Top 15 player then he should have made a larger impact on the W-L column. You don't need superb pitching to win games. Just enough to get by.

[Slyder]

Point is, if Dunn is truly a Top 15 player then he should have made a larger impact on the W-L column. You don't need superb pitching to win games. Just enough to get by.

Care to name even a rotation of guys that the reds have had the past 5 years that would even reach mediocre level? Dunn has not been the Reds problem the GMS (yes im lumping both Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber into this) bring in crappola and expect it to shine like a Bentley. Jimmie Haynes was our ace at one point that should tell you about the shape of our staff. To say dunn isnt one of the best right now because of the TEAM W-L record is really stupid, it takes a team to win regardless of how great a single player is.

Also if your right then what would that mean about Tim Brown, Chris Carter, Dan Marino, Cal Ripken, Ron Santo, Ted Williams none of them won anything either and all are considered legends in their sports and all time greats I guess they were a bunch of worthless bums since they couldnt "single handly" carry theeir team to wins.

[ATLien]

LOL, take one statement & take it to the extreme.

Impossible to talk any sense in to homers.

[Sea Ray]

Point is, if Dunn is truly a Top 15 player then he should have made a larger impact on the W-L column. You don't need superb pitching to win games. Just enough to get by.

Have you looked at the Reds ERA amongst starters? It is higher than Colorado's. Adam Dunn won today's game for us yet we're still a sucky team. There's only so much he can do.

He's led the team to scoring the most runs in the league. What more can he do?

[Slyder]

LOL, take one statement & take it to the extreme.

Impossible to talk any sense in to homers.

Again I ask Care to name a single rotation of guys the Reds have had that would even be Mediocre?

And just so you know, Jones for Dunn would be both teams trying to fit round pegs in square holes.

BTW whats your opinion on Ted Williams? I mean he never won nothing.

[ATLien]

Comparing Dunn to the greatest hitter of all time.

Way to go there.

[Slyder]

Your the one who said Dunn wasnt all that great since his teams havent won nothing, so i thought Id throw some other names out there.

Again I ask can you name a rotation of Reds that would even make it to the level of MEDIOCRE.

And here is your EXACT QUOTE....

Point is, if Dunn is truly a Top 15 player then he should have made a larger impact on the W-L column. You don't need superb pitching to win games. Just enough to get by.

[ATLien]

When Dunn is in the HOF, then you can come here and talk shit. As of now, he is nowhere close to a Top 15 player.